Nothing like having a lawyer who doesn’t know what the issue is. But then when you’re defending Donald Trump, all lawyering must perforce be of a Twilight Zone-ish nature, so why wouldn’t John Lauro be off point? Lauro filed his 29-page response at five minutes before the 5:00 p.m. deadline that Judge Tonya Chutkan would not budge on. His premiere argument is that this is a First Amendment case. Wrong.
It's NOT a trial about "first Amendment rights". It says so in the third paragraph of the indictment I believe. Maybe trump's dimestore attorneys didn't get a chance to read that far since they spend so much on tv spreading lies and misinformation.
— Gloria (@itsmommy) August 7, 2023
And we go straight from the First Amendment non-argument to the allegations of “election interference.”
NEW: In opposing the Special Counsel's proposed protective order tonight, Trump's team accuses "the Biden Justice Department" of "wait[ing] over two-and-a-half years to seek this indictment, during an election cycle in which President Trump is the leading candidate." 1/
— Lisa Rubin (@lawofruby) August 7, 2023
But more significantly, Team Trump knows well that Jack Smith is not Biden or Garland & was appointed to give Trump as fair a shake as possible, despite his declaring his candidacy roughly 2 years in advance to serve the narrative he's rolling out now. 3/
— Lisa Rubin (@lawofruby) August 7, 2023
And in that same footnote, Trump's lawyers also accuse the Special Counsel's office of "pos[ing] the greater risk of improper disclosure, given the frequency of apparent leaks from the Special Counsel’s office." 5/
— Lisa Rubin (@lawofruby) August 7, 2023
Nothing has leaked from Jack Smith’s office. That place is tighter than the proverbial drum.
And then there’s this absurdity.
— bernadine cerbes (@BCerbes) August 7, 2023
If Trump’s lawyer is this bad at understanding the charges, he really is done for.
1. Witness intimidation is not exercising free speech.
2. Election interference and aiding and abetting are, again, not exercising free speech.
Has he read the charges?— HAL (@Hal9O0) August 7, 2023
Again, the problem here is the level of disinformation and chicanery. The problem here is that there are two narratives of reality being reported, when in fact, there’s only one set of facts and an alternative set of falsehoods, misrepresented as facts.
This is the problem in our country nowadays. We have many problems, but this is the biggest one.
We do not have unfettered free speech rights in this country. Try yelling “fire” in a theater and see what that gets you. Try slandering/libeling someone, try that if you have the money to pay for your “free” speech. And let us be real honest, if you use inflammatory language to get people attack our government, or a state’s, do not be surprised if said government gets real pissy and goes after you.
I do not know where the concept that lying is free speech came from, although I suspect the idiots on the s.c. had their fingers in that pie, but we need to nip this sh*t in the bud.
Just pointing out but that “fire” test involves FALSELY yelling. (It should go without saying that it can be a safety issue yelling it if there is an actual fire, given the propensity to panic.)
Rachel Maddow just reported the judge has ordered a hearing NO LATER than this Friday. Hey Cannonfoder…it may be a good idea to watch THIS judge to learn your profession. Jack succinctly laid out that frump and his ambulance chasers want to try the case in the media instead of the courtroom. BANG! Uh Oh spagettio!!!
Well I got a feeling that Mr. Smith is about to give up a summary class on proper procedures for criminal trials and the actions of the judge and the prosecutor. And from the look of Mr. Smith I don’t think it’s going to be like a real long class. I still think that Mr. Smith was after the little lady when he filed his case. I mean he did have a lot of options where he wouldn’t have been anywhere near her. But he went to her area. Makes you wonder. Man like that doesn’t do stuff off the cuff like they say. Why did he almost carry his briefcase in and sit down on that lottery thing they run for court cases.
Exactly right about the biggest problem in our country right now. There’s reality and truth and then there’s all this baloney that some people insist is true and all the people who believe them.
Exactly. There is one reality.
What they have is fantasy.
You forget – in the Trump world you have alternate reality with alternative facts
Do they intend to use the same argument in the documents case? The point is that waving around sensitive material like secret war plans puts the country’s security at stake, just as disclosing discovery material may put the lives of witnesses and their families at stake. There can’t be any doubt that trump will use any material he get his hands on to his benefit, including leaking information about the names and addresses of people he considers enemies. Smith understands this and so will Judge Chutkan. MAGAs and their leader have demonstrated their willingness to use violence to further their goal of taking over power. That’s what Jan 6 was about and what this trial is about, not the First Amendment.
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Your “… Nothing like having a lawyer who doesn’t know what the issue is. But then when you’re defending Donald Trump, all lawyering must perforce be of a Twilight Zone-ish nature, so why wouldn’t John Lauro be off point?…” Being somewhat like an unbalanced dynamic duo, Trump and this lawyer of his are clearly living in their reality, but in the mix of ‘ifs and whens’ they will not be able to ignore the mix of consequences of actual reality.
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Lawrence O’Donnell showed his lawyer deliberately misquoted Joe Biden and out of context to say Biden is behind all this. My guess is this judge isn’t going to like that one bit. Lie to get her to rule in your favor? Oh, and prove you are as much a liar as your client. As Jerry Seinfeld used to remark about Kramer’s schemes…Oh yeah this will go well. Time for his lawyer to get a lawyer.
There will be those who claim these charges are political in nature. But when there is overwhelming evidence of guilt in respect to multiple crimes, the most political act I could engage in would be to take no action at all.”
It seems like every innocent man is always saying in all caps, “IF YOU’RE COMING AFTER ME. I’M COMING AFTER YOU!” That sure sounds like the unstructured ravings of an innocent man to me. Are Trump’s raving threats the angry incessant blabbering of a spoiled three-year-old throwing a temper tantrum? Or a sophisticated method of testing the waters and testing the judge’s patience, while appearing an ignorant moron. I feel certain Trump would like nothing better than to spend a weekend in jail, to throw out as red meat to his cult. Look what THEY did! To ME! They did this to ME! Can you believe it? They put me in jail! Not Hillary Clinton or Hunter Biden. Can you believe it? And I didn’t do nothing, but to innocently speak my mind. (metaphorically at least) Trump wants to gum up the works and wants his trial moved to West Virginia, because they like Trump down there, and they don’t read much. Trump is hanging all his hopes on the Extreme Court clearing him of all 77 Federal charges. Does that sound like a rational thought to you? That the Supreme Court of the United States would hang themselves in order to clear Trump of all charges. That’s delusional wishful thinking and not rational. The Supreme Court would rule to save themselves first and always. Imagine for one minute, the Supreme Court of the United States vacating all 77 charges against Donald Trump. The public outcry would be astounding! Whatever sympathies the Supreme Court may harbor for Citizen Trump. There is no upside for them in saving him, and so, Trump becomes disposable.
“Whatever sympathies the Supreme Court may harbor for Citizen Trump. There is no upside for them in saving him, and so, Trump becomes disposable.”
We can only hope that is true Alex.