The Trump crazy train is like an e-ride at Disneyland, full of insane contortions and vomit-inducing spins, right down to the very last instant. The latest development is Nancy Pelosi announcing Sunday night that the House would vote on Jamie Raskins 25th Amendment resolution to remove Trump by unanimous consent. Lacking that — and you know it’s not going to pass absent some religious epiphany by Mo Brooks and his crowd — Pelosi will bring an impeachment vote against Trump for inciting a riot at the Capitol last Wednesday. The Hill:
“In protecting our Constitution and our Democracy, we will act with urgency, because this President represents an imminent threat to both,” Pelosi wrote in the letter to rank-and-file colleagues. “As the days go by, the horror of the ongoing assault on our democracy perpetrated by this President is intensified and so is the immediate need for action.”
The timing of the impeachment vote remains unclear.
Not for the first time and not for the last, Jim Clyburn is the voice of reason.
Rep. Jim Clyburn (S.C.), the Democratic whip, suggested earlier Sunday that Democrats could impeach Trump now but delay sending the articles to the Senate, granting incoming President Joe Biden the time to seat his Cabinet and launch his 100-day agenda before an impeachment trial bogs down Congress for an indeterminate length of time.
The larger question is what, if anything, will the MAGAts do? And a more basic question than that, and this may be the brilliance of Pelosi’s move: If Brooks, Nunes, Jordan, Hawley, Cruz, the rest of them come out and defend Trump post-riot, that might spell their doom. The optics of that are deadly. Oh, it’s nice to be the party back in power again. Man, this is starting to feel good!
This is going to be one hell of a week. Or the week from hell.
Yes it does feel good. And they hold off until the full Senate is seated and can further investigate meanwhile. Then after the main stuff gets done, like Covid start, hand it over to the Senate for trial.
It will be a first. I’m not sure of the legality of this. If the Senate votes to remove Trump and he’s already gone, does that invalidate his presidency? I haven’t wrapped my head around this. It’s historic, in all events.
No, it just makes him impeached twice, convicted once. It might even be easier, because the Senate could do it with a special committee that would send its conclusion to the floor for a vote, meanign the Senate wouldn’t have to stop work for a week or however long.
He could be impeached twice and convicted once. It might even make it easier in the Senate: they could have a special committee handling the impeachment while they worked on other stuff, and the committee would send its results for a vote when it was done. (They need a thorough investigation of the people who were backing the steal, starting with McCarthy, Hawley, and cruz, and working down to Brooks, Boebert, and Greene.
I just read that she said she welcomes their views on the 14th amendment.??
Had read a post on DK this morning about 14th. And then Keith Olbermann said something on Twitter: surrender or else–Pence do the 25th or Nancy starts doing the 14th.
I always did find it weird how the nutjobs hated the 13-15 Amendments. gee, had to reread. And yeah, obvious why.
But the 14th: wonder how that will be implemented? But hey, precedence. And courts…. can’t really stop. Seems legal as all heck. Little thing called the Civil War.
The president enjoys the full authority of the office until the gavel drops on a guilty verdict in the Senate, which by the rules of impeachment immediately ends the term of the accused/convicted. I remember from law class that this concept has a name, but I can’t remember what it is (the concept that awarded powers aren’t retroactively taken away).
So the likelihood is that Trump can continue doing corrupt things with the powers of the presidency until convicted.
Banning him from running for future office is weird legally. The constitution doesn’t link this to the 2/3 requirement, so the Senate rules say they can ban with a simple majority. But that raises a weird legal question…if you convicted, you had a 2/3 majority, so you theoretically would already have enough votes to ban. The only really benefit to a simple majority ban is when you can’t convict…but would the Senate really ban someone under an impeachment trial if they couldn’t convict?
Once again, Donald G.D. Trump takes us down the road of arcane constitutional law questions.
His term ends the 20th, so the impeachment would continue after he leaves office. Banning him from future office is to stop him from running in the future…and it won’t help any of his kids, either.
Agreed…I was speaking generally about impeachment. I don’t think the process could end before 1/20 even if they really wanted to try. So in this case, removal is moot.
Clyburn’s plan (which seems to have met with a lot of favor) is to delay the trial for months, long after Biden’s inauguration, so that he can deal with the most pressing problems and neither he nor hte country wil be distracted. Obviously no one can change the fact that Trump made it through his term as president. It can’t be retroactively denied that he was president for four years. But it will prevent him from ever running for any office again.
Clyburn’s plan (which seems to have met with a lot of favor) is to delay the trial for months, long after Biden’s inauguration, so that he can deal with the most pressing problems and neither he nor the country will be distracted. Obviously no one can change the fact that Trump made it through his term as president. It can’t be retroactively denied that he was president for four years. But it will prevent him from ever running for any office again.
He gets convicted, his presidential severance package goes away too..health care, pension, Secret Service protection.
It makes him an ex-president, as opposed to a former president, like Carter. Doesn’t invalidate his presidency, though I’d like to see his name replaced by a pseudonym in *all* the records. I like the idea of “President Covfefe”.
(I had a couple of comments eaten earlier. Error message, then a retry got a “duplicate comment” message, then … nothing appeared.)
Yup, me too.
And now I look back my comment appears five times with the ‘waiting for moderation’ box. I hope you can sort it out Ursula, and it’s not some sort of sabotage. 🙂
Me three.
It invalidates his post-presidency and all the perks that go with it like security detail, pension, healthcare, travel expenses (purportedly $1 million a year), and he’d lose the title.
It would make a difference in that he’d lose all the perks of post presidency like
*security detail,
*pension,
*healthcare,
*travel expenses (purportedly to be $1 million a year),
*title,
and all other perks.
It would save taxpayers a lot of money they can ill afford to spend on a worthless pos. Then he’d be cut loose to face the legal consequences of his crimes. Indicting a man who’s no longer entitled to be referred to as “president” will be psychologically easier on the American public I think.
It would make a difference in that he’d lose all the perks of post presidency like the security detail, pension, healthcare, travel expenses (purportedly to be $1 million a year), the title, and all other perks.
It would save taxpayers a lot of money they can ill afford to spend on a worthless pos. Then he’d be cut loose to face the legal consequences of his crimes. Indicting a man who’s no longer entitled to be referred to as “president” will be psychologically easier on the American public I think.
Impeachment also includes the consequence of being banned from any public office ever.
I saw discussion on this over the weekend. If he’s impeached and convicted, he loses his presidential pension, his secret service protection, and something else I forget but also costs taxpayer money. That would be great; he doesn’t deserve another bent penny from the national coffers. (Not that he deserved any in the first place, but that’s already gone. But NO MORE!!!)
I saw discussion on this over the weekend. If he’s impeached and convicted, he loses his presidential pension, his secret service protection, and something else I forget but also costs taxpayer money. That would be great; he doesn’t deserve another bent penny from the national coffers. (Not that he deserved any in the first place, but that’s already gone. But NO MORE!)
I really like what they have planned.
After this is done, I never EVER want to hear the word “weak” associated with Nancy Pelosi.
I agree.
aaahahaha!!!
*has sharp cheddar cheese cube with toothpick with the frilly thing on the end*
*sips chardonnay*
Sounds lovely.
I really like your extracurricular activities while reading political news.
Whatever the MAGA maggots try, everyone will be on the lookout for. Call me inhumane but that is a crowd that TRULY needs an acquaintance with the sort of stuff BLM has had to put up with.
Yes, this starting to feel good. If Trump is apoplectic now, what will he be by the end of the week?
Put it this way: my mother’s wishes for his ill health may finally be answered in a…well, final way.
He’s insane now. I think part of that is the virus…and some may be the steroids he got.
Off topic, but zip ties guy was tracked down and arrested. Amateurs managed to match his body armor to social media posts. Good work, amateur detectives.
And Iconic Zip Tie Guy? Turns out he brought his mom with him to this! Frankly, that was more amateur than the detectives who found him.
I keep a postcard picture of her pointing her finger at that coward across the table telling him she knows he is putin’s puppet. On the fridge. She had them all cowering on the oyher side of the table. I think someday a nice statue of speaker pelosi should decorate the capital building.
Can we make it right after the inauguration…please? And I got that same pic of Madame President.
Lets hope she does! What a disgrace and danger this POS president is to America! He’s trying to go to a mental institute instead of prison!
Everything he tries, he fails. Lifelong pattern without deviation.
It would make a difference in that he’d lose all the perks of post presidency like the security detail, pension, healthcare, travel expenses (purportedly to be $1 million a year), the title, and all other perks.
It would save taxpayers a lot of money they can ill afford to spend on a worthless pos. Then he’d be cut loose to face the legal consequences of his crimes. Indicting a man who’s no longer entitled to be referred to as “president” will be psychologically easier on the American public I think.
WOW! NOW THE DUMPF CAN CALL HIMSELF A WINNER AGAIN. HE WON THE LOTTERY OF THE MOST IMPEACHED PRESIDENT. HE SHOULD BE VERY PROUD.