Poor Mike Pence. Despite all the adoring glances at Trump, all the bad play acting, and notwithstanding his suffocating sycophantcy, Jared and Ivanka were working on ways to boot him off the 2020 ticket and replace him with Nikki Haley, according to John Bolton’s tell-all. It looks to be a good read, showcasing both the idiocy and treachery of this administration, if the tidbits below are any indication. Raw Story:
“Trump also arose “early,” although it was already afternoon Iraq time, and we spent a fair amount of time in his office chatting away because so few others were up yet. We ranged from what he would say to the Army and Marine troops at al-Asad and in the State of the Union address in January, to sending a New Year’s greeting to Xi Jinping and whether Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize,” Bolton recalled.
“White House gossip was common that Ivanka and Kushner favored this approach, which tied in with Haley’s leaving her position as UN Ambassador in December 2018, thus allowing her to do some politicking around the country before being named to the ticket in 2020. The political argument in Haley’s favor was that she could win back women voters alienated from Trump. By contrast, it was said, the evangelicals supporting Pence had nowhere else to go in 2020, so their votes were not at risk if Haley took his place. I explained it was a bad idea to jettison someone loyal, and that doing so risked alienating people he needed (who could stay home, even if they didn’t vote for Trump’s opponent) without necessarily generating new support because of the replacement. That seemed to be Trump’s thinking as well.”
At the time, Haley denied the rumors, saying Pence had her support.
“Certainly, there have been a number of people telling people in the White House, including the president’s son-in-law Jared Kushner and daughter Ivanka Trump, that Nikki Haley would be a politically smart choice to replace Pence,” Axios reporter Jonathan Swan reported. “So this is partly why a lot of these rumors have been circulating.”
Now factor this in: Nick Ayers, Pence’s chief of staff was asked to work on Trump’s reelection campaign but he demurred, saying that he wanted to work on Nikki Haley’s 2024 campaign. What would be a better set up for a presidential run for Haley in 2024 than if she was already Vice President? Just speculating.
Mike Pence’s biographer reported “that’s all real,” nearly a year later during an MSNBC appearance in Sept. 2019.
“These are fealty tests, these are loyalty tests,” said journalist Tom LoBianco. “For some of them they feel it is incredibly demeaning of him, and it goes to this point of him playing the long game. He has to survive, you know, the talk … about Jared (Kushner) and Ivanka (Trump), ways to get rid of him. Politically, you need to bring back suburban voters and women.”
Pence’s political career was on life support when Trump put him on the ticket in 2016 purportedly at Melania’s behest, according to her recent biography. She made the decision to choose Pence over Newt Gingrich or Chris Christie, because she thought he would be content in a number two position and not gun for the top job. It would have been better off for Trump if one of them had taken over, because his presidency has been spiraling out of control since day one. For all of their own flaws, Gingrich and Christie are light years ahead of Trump in what they know about government.
So the question becomes, could Pence get booted from the 2020 ticket? Consider this: in a recent interview with Martha Raddatz, Bolton was asked who the most powerful person in the White House was and he answered, “The sustained answer to that question…is Jared Kushner.” And Bolton is not alone in that. Jared Kushner has been called “the de facto president of the United States.” Brad Parscale said, “Nobody has more influence in the White House than Jared. Nobody has more influence outside the White House than Jared. He’s No. 2 after Trump.” So if Jared and Ivanka want Pence gone, he just might end up gone. Ask Steve Bannon, Reince Priebus and John Kelly what happens when Jarvanka wants you gone. And actually, that might work out to Pence’s advantage. If he gets dumped now, and Trump picks Haley and ends up losing anyway, then Pence is spared an embarrassing campaign and the humiliation of defeat.
Well, if Jared is the “de facto president,” that makes sense, because every decision has been completely f ed up and awful. “president” jared, you suck big time.
But Trump called him “my star” when he babbled for 56 seconds about how systemic racism now no longer existed. Remember that? I swear to God, I marvel that my head hasn’t exploded listening to all this. The reign of stupidity is gobsmacking.
I’m no super political strategist at all. I am wondering how dumping pence for Haley would help. Trumps base gives two f@$ks about women.
Not about the base, Cmae. It’s about everybody else they think they can still con. But that ship has long since sailed.
It didn’t work for McCain and it would work less for Trump. He’s irredeemable. And this would put the coffin lid on Haley’s already doomed presidential hopes It won’t be in her lifetime before the GOP has reformed enough to accept the idea of a woman on top. At best she’d be 2024’s Carly Fiorina — on stage for optics but never taken seriously.
Unless he can grab them by the p***y
It wouldn’t help — it would be a disaster. At this point it would be a disaster squared piled on top of every other disaster right now. Last minute changes are signs of internal weakness. And this desire to replace Pence with the atrocious Haley to supposedly win over women, despite four years of alienating them, shows that Jared and Ivanka are even dimmer than I thought. That trick was tried before and the situation then was far less toxic for women than now — and it backfired spectacularly. I swear, Jared and Ivanka have to be two of the stupidest people on earth.
Whatever he decides to do, it won’t work. I’m just trying to keep up wuth what he is doing to be prepared o undo all when he is gone. Or in court before that.
The more I think about these two asshats, the more I get angry. They still haven’t realized that telling seniors to die “for the economy,” is a bad message? NO,, it MUST be pence fouling up trumps chances. They are two zeros breathing air.
Ivomit and Jar-Jar may want Haley on the ticket, but why would she, with a promising political career ahead of her, commit political suicide by joining this sh!t show and going down in defeat in November.
…..can’t see it happening.
At this point I can’t see it unless there’s some incredible monetary payoff. Haley did leave the U.N. for some reason and the speculation that she might succeed Pence was born at that point. Haley might have just wanted to distance herself from Trump so that she can appear, credibly, to be part of the New Republicans or whatever the hell they will style themselves as. Frankly, I think Mittens may run again, and a Romney/Haley ticket may be it in 2024. Again, just speculation.
A Mitt/Haley ticket is a decade past its sell-by date. The party produced Trump, not vice versa. And after four years of Trump, they have become more vicious, bloodthirsty, cruel and “post policy.” GOP primary voters won’t be interested in candidates like Romney and Haley for decades. And they’ll never forgive Mitt for voting to remove Trump, just as they will never put a woman in the main chair. A Mitt/Haley ticket is a fantasy of the left, just as John Kasich’s potential run was. They seem reasonable choices to Democrats but the GOP no longer has any shred of reasonableness. They want blood.
Pence was damned from the moment he took up the VP slot. He could have just been a failed governor who might have rode out the deluge that Trump is about to unleash upon American conservatism. Now, he’s going to be the most notorious veep since Spiro Agnew.
It does look that way, yes.
“Now factor this in: Nick Ayers, Pence’s chief of staff was asked to work on Trump’s reelection campaign but he demurred, saying that he wanted to work on Nikki Haley’s 2024 campaign. What would be a better set up for a presidential run for Haley in 2024 than if she was already Vice President?”
Well, that would, of course, depend on Trump’s retaining the White House this year. My bet is that Haley, even if offered, would refuse the VP job for a very simple reason: She’s not stupid. I’m betting she’s looking at the handwriting on the wall and knows that the GOP is set to lose the White House (and, quite likely, the Senate) and if she were to be associated with that loss in any manner, her chances of a 2024 run would be dead in the water. We don’t really have a lot of precedent to go by here (Cheney was never really interested in the Presidency; Palin was damaged goods as a politician after 2008; Paul Ryan seemed more content staying in the House rather than campaign for the GOP nomination in 2016, especially since he was Speaker) but being a GOP VP or VP nominee hasn’t exactly led to a Presidency since Bush 41 took over from Reagan for a single term (even Bush’s VP, Quayle, passed on running for the top job in 1996 and only briefly considered running in 2000–he withdrew his name before the primary season began).
But, more importantly, Haley could be hurt by another factor: The Confederate Battle Flag. Remember, she was governor of South Carolina when a BIG stink over the flag’s flying over the State Capitol was raised following Dylann Roof walked into a Charleston church and killed members during a prayer meeting. Haley did the right thing and signed legislation that brought down the flag but THAT is what’s going to hurt her chances as VP among the GOP’s Confederate branch. And since Trump has spent the past decade (even before waddling into the White House) displaying his support for racist/Nazi causes, I’d have to think Haley would not want to be on the same stage with Himself as the optics of “the woman who took down SC’s Confederate flag” standing beside “the man who spoke favorably about neoNazis” are pretty miserable–especially among those GOP suburban soccer moms whose votes she would ostensibly be bringing back. (And I’d be very surprised if some damning commercials tying those two very disparate images didn’t pop up during the campaign.)
Then, of course, there is the notion of “loyalty.” Trump’s die-hard supporters probably don’t give a crap but I’ve got a feeling there will be some GOP voters (even if just 5%) who would find it utterly appalling for Trump to just dump Pence for NO real cause and replace him with anyone else (which, of course, would start Haley’s hopes for a 2024 Presidential run well into the ground). If Pence had consistently been going against Trump or had been even remotely appearing to be working against Trump, I could see everyone in the GOP going along with dumping him (much as FDR had done to Henry Wallace in 1944; FDR liked Wallace well enough but Wallace had a lot of political opponents and he hadn’t done well in an economic board he headed during WW2 so his time was looking to be short). But that was a different era in politics, when the “common man” had little say in the workings of the political machinery; as far as I know, there’s never been another incumbent VP who’s been removed from the ticket for a re-election campaign.
Arguably, being Reagan’s VP didn’t really help Bush in the end either. Despite all his efforts (which tapered off when it got to areas like the slowing economy), he became the last one-term president we’ve had to date, which is history Haley may also be keeping in mind.
And the GOP is so patriarchal and misogynist it’s not going to let a woman head the ticket in Haley’s lifetime. She’ll be window dressing on a debate stage of all white males except for the one black guy the find to be window dressing.
Also Cheney didn’t need the title — he WAS the president!
I just laughed, when I read the title. It’s not Pence that’s running this thing in the ditch!
That picture makes me physically ill. That crew infesting the Oval Office … because of James Comey, and 70,000 votes across three states. I still can’t stand it.
I have to say that no matter what’s said about Ivanka and Jared allegedly pushing this — and who knows whether it’s true — it still feels like media clickbait. It’s sexy, it’s exciting — and it rings false. Trump feels manly when he’s in a room full of men. Women are for show — skinny model types. They don’t have power or authority. (The only exception might be Betsy DeVos, who is there because she wrote enormous checks to his campaign). And the GOP doesn’t like women in power. They feel there’s no need for it & men should be running things — look at their stagnant number in Congress.
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