Amy Coney Barrett’s name was floated the last time a supreme court opening occurred, but instead we got Brett Kavanaugh, replete with “boofing,” “Devil’s Triangle,” and the heart wrenching sexual assault testimony of Christine Blasey Ford. Incredible as it seems, we may have been better off with Kavanaugh, because the Barrett confirmation looks to be swinging into religious war territory off the bat, due to her cultish religious affiliation — which Democrats are being warned to stay clear of, as though it were a land mine. But read further and you will see that Barrett’s cult membership in People Of Praise is so intrinsic to who and what she is, that it would be dereliction of duty for Democrats not to inquire — and yes, they will need to wear asbestos suits for all the heat that will be generated. The Atlantic:
Barrett does belong to People of Praise, which is not my kind of thing—and it’s probably not your kind of thing either, as there are estimated to be only about 1,700 or so members. The group was founded in 1971, six years after Vatican II had reduced many of the strictures by which Catholics were meant to live their lives, unintentionally creating a void in the religious experience of many faithful. For some, the Catholic Charismatic Renewal filled that void, replacing the rigidity of pre–Vatican II Catholicism with the kind of ecstatic worship style of Pentecostals, including gifts of prophecy and of glossolalia. Although most People of Praise members apparently identify themselves as Catholics, the group has several practices that fall outside present-day Catholic doctrine, and—as far as I can tell—considers itself ecumenical.
What’s got everyone’s hair on fire is that, according to The New York Times, “the group teaches that husbands are the heads of their wives and should take authority over the family.” But the dastardly nature of this expectation is undermined by Barrett’s being shortlisted for a nomination to the Supreme Court. If her faith has put limits on her talent and ambition, there are few signs of it; you don’t get a seat on the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals (where she is currently a judge) so that you can keep your hand in and earn a little pin money.
Where the battle lines are being drawn here, is that on the one hand, faith and Christianity in particular, are looking to be voted upon in the confirmation process. But it’s in the definition of those terms that things will get dicey. Cooler heads are trying to avoid this confrontation, and that makes sense. The last thing we need right now is a religious war on the floor of the senate. But it well may be unavoidable.
I'll give Amy Barrett's opponents some good advice, in blissful assurance that they won't take it. Don't attack her faith. Don't go near it. Stay a million miles away. Talk about health care, immigration, the weather, anything but religion. It's not her Achilles heel; it's yours.
— Robert P. George (@McCormickProf) September 26, 2020
This does not mean that you can't criticize Amy Coney Barrett, or warn about how her presence on the Supreme Court might change the country.
But please, for the love of decency and sanity, leave her faith out of it.
— Yascha Mounk (@Yascha_Mounk) September 26, 2020
This is some good advice. However, this cult that Barrett’s in, belies the normal definition of what most of us would consider “faith.” It’s also labeled “Christian” and that’s where a definition of terms is needed. This doesn’t sound like the run of the mill Sunday congregation and potluck. This is downright spooky, Handmaid’s Tale spooky. Mother Jones:
She’s a member of People of Praise, a charismatic covenant community in South Bend, Indiana, that has been criticized by former members for being a religious cult. Though most of its members are Catholic, its practices, including speaking in tongues and faith healing, draw more from fundamentalist and evangelical Christianity than the Vatican. One of its most notable features is the submissive role played by women, some of whom were called “handmaids”—at least until the Handmaid’s Tale aired in 2017, At that point, the group started referring to them as “women leaders.”
Barrett has written and spoken publicly about being a devout Catholic lawyer, even saying that during her confirmation hearing that she would not enter an order of execution if she were a federal trial judge because it would conflict with Catholic Church teaching. In 2006, she gave a commencement speech at Notre Dame law school in which she told the grads, “Always keep in mind that your legal career is but a means to an end, and…that end is building the kingdom of God.” But Barrett has not publicly addressed her involvement with People of Praise. […]
But according to accounts of former members, People of Praise involves much more than studying the Bible. Indeed, some are deeply troubled by the possibility of one of the group winning a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court. Two years ago, when Barrett’s name was floated as a potential candidate to replace retiring Justice Anthony Kennedy, a post appeared in a Facebook group of ex-members of charismatic Christian communities. “I don’t want a current member of this cult to be sitting on the Supreme Court,” the onetime People of Praise member wrote. “And it was not very many years ago that I admired them very much and was almost seduced into thinking they had something spiritually real and rich going for them.” More recently, another ex-member wrote, “I think we better start now fighting her nomination. I can’t quite imagine People of Praise on the Supreme Court.”
Nebraska Senator Ben Sasse is characterizing this group as a “Bible study.” It sounds more like the training ground for the Illuminati — or a branch to carry out the functions of an Illuminati-esque structure.
Most of its members are Catholic, but People of Praise is ecumenical, and any Christian can join. But joining the group requires a major commitment and a willingness to submit to a lay spiritual adviser known as a “head,” who has an outsized role in one’s life and relationships. After several years of exploration, prospective members must agree to a formal covenant and pledge to attend to each other’s spiritual, material, and financial needs—as well as attend many meetings, even as they still go to Mass or otherwise remain active in their regular churches. Members are supposed to consult their head on nearly every aspect of their lives—from raising children to buying a car. A woman’s personal head is her husband, and women aren’t allowed into serve in top leadership roles in the community.
Maybe there is some way to stall this confirmation, although I doubt it. But that is what Americans want. The latest Washington Post/ABC poll shows that 57% of people believe that the supreme court seat should be filled after the election by the next president. Amy Coney Barrett may be a competent jurist but the company she keeps is something that cannot be ignored. This reads like a sci fi novel about a dystopian theocracy.
People of Praise often live close together and unmarried people sometimes live with a married couple. There are specific courtship rituals—dating isn’t allowed until a member has been thoroughly counseled by a head. It’s positively socialist in many ways, as members are required to tithe at least 5 percent of their earnings, share property, and submit their family budgets to their head.
Former members have described it as oppressive to women, and one woman has suggested that it creates a hospitable environment for controlling and abusive men. Coral Anika Theill, who wrote a memoir called BONSHEA: Making Light of the Dark, discusses her time with People of Praise and her sense that it had a role in facilitating the domestic violence she says she suffered. Her story highlights another feature of the community: Once in, it’s tough to exit. “When I left the community in 1984,” she writes, “I was threatened and told that they would put me in a mental institution if I did not submit to the ‘authorities God had placed over me.’” […]
“After some time in the POP,” he [Adrian Reimers, Notre Dame professor] writes. “I started to realize that the revolution of Jesus Christ that was prophesied by the group was actually a revolution of oppression and control. The POP is comprised almost entirely of white upper-middle class Americans. Of the hundreds of members I met during my time with the POP, I met only one that was Black. I later found out that he was merely a guest at one of the community meetings and not affiliated with the POP. Furthermore, no active homosexuals are allowed, and if they ‘come out’ they are encouraged to undergo conversion therapy or are forced to leave.”
The dots are easy to connect here. Jeff Sessions used to talk about religious over secular rule in government. Mike Pompeo started Bible studies at the CIA. Mike Pence said he wanted to see “Roe v. Wade consigned to the ash heap of history,” when he first took office. If you haven’t read my piece from before the 2017 inauguration, “Mike Pence Is A Theocrat. His Christian Supremacist Followers Seek To Take Over America. Seriously.” please read it now. It details for you the plan for theocratic takeover, starting with the blueprint that Pat Robertson laid out on television back in the 80’s.
These people are real and their views of the genders and sexuality are backwards and repressive, plus where gays are concerned they’re downright oppressive. These are conversion therapy people. And on these facts, it does not seem possible to keep a discussion of faith out of the confirmation process. Barrett is not just a member of this cult, she’s one of its High Priestesses.
…Her ties to Praise of People run deep. Her parents are members; her father Mike Coney has been a member of its top leadership, serving on the board of governors, and her mother was reportedly a handmaid. She has six siblings, many of whom are also in the group, have done missionary work for it, and are married to other members. Barrett’s husband, Jesse Barrett, is a fellow Notre Dame law school grad, former assistant US attorney, and a lawyer in private practice—and a member of People of Praise.
These are not routine facts in a confirmation process. While it’s clear that bringing religion into the confirmation process is going to be throwing gasoline on the fire, it is unavoidable.
It’s not anti-Catholic for Senate Democrats to ask Barrett to explain her relationship with or role in People of Praise. Wondering if she was a handmaid—and what that might mean in a Supreme Court justice—is a far cry from asking John F. Kennedy whether he had more loyalty to the Pope than the United States. As she told Notre Dame’s Class of 2006, “First, before you take any job, particularly one that requires a move, pray about it. St. Ignatius of Loyala observed that when presented with options, most people choose what they want to do first, and it’s only after the choice is already made that they go to God and say, ‘How can I serve You in the Situation I’m in?’ It’s the rare person who consults God before making a choice.”
I don’t know who the so-called Christian God is that she consults with, but I fear its a different one than the rest of us are talking to. I’m not hearing a lot of love and inclusivity here, nor the golden rule, that are the foundational tenets of true Christianity. Barrett is openly touting fundamentalism. Christianity routed a lot of the outdated notions of gender role that appeared in the Old Testament. Nevertheless, the evangelical wing of the GOP dug them up long ago and those paternalistic ways dove tail so well with the rest of the racist Republican agenda.
Barrett’s confirmation on the Supreme Court is a fearsome rite de passage for this country, and one that we would probably be better off not going through. At worst, it may well start the ball rolling towards a massive overhaul of that institution. Or, perhaps an overhaul is long overdue and the Merrick Garland nomination was the evidence of that? It’s going to be an interesting week, in all events. 38 more days until the election.
Very well done, now get some rest!
I’m going to fill up boxes the rest of the day. I’ll be back online tonight.
You might want to make the boxes a little smaller and more of them, easier to carry, both ways and things don’t hide so well on the other end, things really important, like coffee makers, cups and lordy, some coffee itself the smell of fresh coffee in a mug can energize a person to at least another hour or two of unload and place things, before total collapse … be careful, enjoy your new adventure, we will want pictures, comments and a happy Ursula … 🙂
Those are the boxes labelled “kitchen: open FIRST”. (We had to open all three of the “dish boxes” first, because they had the stuff we needed for dinner. And the movers donated some screwdrivers that fell into several of the many boxes.)
I don’t think her faith should be attacked – it’s how she would apply it to cases that come before the court. Does she understand that the views of any given sect, hers included, do not override the Constitution and prior decisions like Griswold and Roe? (Reminder, Amy, honey: It’s covered by the 1st Amendment, and the 14th, that you want to get rid of.)
And she should have recused herself when a case came before the appeals court that had come before the state court where she was sitting: she DIDN’T.
The fact that she didn’t recuse herself is a really bad omen.
Good observations, phj, although like others in this Circus of Horrors, Amy might not be completely transparent. I suppose it would be inappropriate to remind her that lying is a sin.
Run far and fast. Run!!!!!!! I don’t care what anyone says – this is a cult. I was in “The Local Church” for 15 years. We too had Jews, Pentecostals, Catholics, Lutherans, etc. We had “full time workers.” Those that would go door to door and preach the gospel. The rest of us worked to support them. I read this and it rang big bells. “Covenant: After a long period of prayer and participation in community life, many members of the People of Praise choose to make a lifelong commitment to the community—a covenant. This covenant is a pledge of love and service to fellow community members and to God, resembling the permanent commitments made in Christian religious orders and in many other covenant and intentional communities around the world. We cherish individual initiative and personal freedom. Community members make this pledge freely, after a formation and instruction period that lasts three to six years. The covenant is a permanent commitment, and yet we are also open to the possibility that God may call a person to another way of life.”
This happens after a shitload of mind bending. A shitload. I would bet a nickel they are big on sticking together and the “outreach” is only to get more members.
Here’s the site – go check it ou.
https://peopleofpraise.org/about/who-we-are/covenant/
Think I’ll walk before they make me run, as Keith Richards would put it. One thing about an outfit like this: they never, EVER want to give me cause to come back. It won’t go well for either of us.
It sounds like Waco, doesn’t it? The people there signed a “covenant” and they signed over their earthly goods to the community, etc. Want to hear something strange? A friend of mine sold a stereo to David Koresh, here in L.A. His name was Vernon Howell at that time. He told her all about Waco and invited her to come live there. Good thing she decided not to take him up on it. A lot of what stayed her hand was signing over her car, giving away her furniture, etc. Loss of individualism is essential to cult life.
the people who opted out of following Jim Jones also come to mind.
There are different views of her religious affiliation. https://www.nola.com/news/politics/article_58685100-002e-11eb-bc9a-93eb3c2c4f3d.html We may be choosing to accept the “it’s a cult” articles because of confirmation bias and the hunt for disqualifying information.
As far as your concern about love, inclusivity and the golden rule, I think it’s best to look at their own website, rather than judge by what an outside reporter might have left out. https://peopleofpraise.org/about/faq/ It does not appear that they are a cult. http://cultresearch.org/help/characteristics-associated-with-cults/ For one thing, cults generally expect exclusive loyalty, but these people continue as regular members of a variety of churches. Although they share a few of the characteristics of cults, so do a lot of mainstream churches. Cults are primarily characterized by extreme adherences to the edicts of their leader (See: Trumpism). This group does not appear to have that characteristics.
What I object to is going through the whole confirmation process in the first place.. If she really has integrity, she will refuse the appointment rather than acquiesce to being the beneficiary of GOP treachery..
The cult I was in also spouted love and inclusivity. They say what they think will draw others in when they preach the “gospel,” on any website, and in flyers, etc. The fact that there is a covenant after 6 years of indoctrination – uh no. That plus the 5% tithing. Don’t believe what you are reading. It sounds like la la love land – right? So does Scientology, Children of God and more.
I do agree with you though. She should not accept the nomination so why is she accepting it? Because she can remove so many things her group and others consider Illegal, immoral, etc. Don’t kid yourself.
Here’s the thing. Churches that are not cults also “spout” love and inclusivity, so messages of love and exclusivity are not evidence of anything. Most churches have “seekers’ classes.” It is not necessarily “indoctrination.” I did not read “six years” anywhere on their website, but maybe I missed it. Most churches teach a 10% tithe; 5% is half that.
From the website, it appears her group is seeking to replicate what is usually called “the New Testament church,” the main tenets of which Evangelical Trump supporters would call evil “socialism” when they are wearing their MAGA hats. We rightfully condemn evangelical Xtians for not walking the walk. Are we also going to condemn Christians for proactively walking the walk? Or is the real truth that we resent all Christians?
We do not appear to have enough information to conclude that “People of Praise” is a cult. I have never come across an ecumenical cult. Exclusivity is a defining feature of cults.
That’s the kind of thing you get with Catholic religious orders – but they give you multiple chances to drop out, without punishment. And you can get out later, also. They’re far less restrictive than some of the cults out there, that expect you to give up family and friends for them.
Don’t dump all this on Catholicism and I say that as a former mainstream Protestant turned agnostic (a couple of decades ago). POP is a blending of super hard core old school pre-Vatican Council Catholicism with super hard-core Pentacostalism. Either is way the hell out there but the combination of the two? Oh hell no. And especially not in a public servant, much less a judge and no freaking was in a Justice of the Supreme Court.
Because in addition to being an athlete I was also a musician and in addition to musical instruments could sing, that latter one caused me to wind up visiting lots of different churches back home. Not just while I was growing up but as an adult. I also visited some churches as I got a bit older not to sing but because a friend asked me to come. Sometimes I enjoyed the experience, and sometimes not so much. In fact some times I left quite disturbed. And it was these “charsimatic” churches, that weirded me out the most. The local Jehovah’s witness church was one I simply avoided at all costs, but I was in several different Pentacostal churches from large to small either in my home town or surrounding ones, as well as quasi ones.
I’ve written before that there was one thing that was common to every service in such a place that I attended. Many sermons contained fire and brimstone stuff but some also uplifting messages. But even in mostly uplifting sermons there was ALWAYS a section where their style of worship came up. And some comments on how other Christians looked down on them and mocked them. And then the “But we KNOW we are the ones, that our numbers are growing and someday all of those who mock us and look down on us will be the ones in the minority and answering to god through US.” Some version of that.
It’s why this whole “Evangelical” thing conservative Christians tout has scared the hell out of me. And it should be terrifying to an agnostic like me, but to every Christian or any person of any other faith. American Taliban in “Christian” form is what these people believe is their mission to bring to power. It’s their way or hell, and by hell I mean making life for anyone who they aren’t SURE is one of them as much of a hell on earth as they can.
Yes, there are super hard core Catholics who feel even the old school stuff was too moderate (Opus Dei is another such group) but there are fundamentalist Protestant denominations with members who are the same. They’ve always been there. They just tend to be in smaller, out of the way churches than the usually large Catholic churches in a given town or city. What they believe and what they would force on others, especially with the force of government behind them is appalling, and why our founders wrote freedom of religion into our Constitution. People could believe (or not) what they wanted, they just couldn’t use the power of elected or appointed office to force it on others, or failing having elected or appointed or elected office themselves coerce such people into giving them what they want.
Barrett appears to be someone who will use her power as a Justice to IMPOSE her religious beliefs on others. The real deal, unlike say Kavanaugh who I damn well believe would have had no problem pressuring some gal he knocked up before he got married to have an abortion, and the means if it were illegal wherever he was to send her somewhere where she could get one. Or to obtain birth control in the first place! Don’t forget. For these “Christian” conservative it’s not just abortion, but birth control itself they find immoral – equating things like the pill or IUDs to infanticide!
It was only in my lifetime that now common forms of birth control even became legal! And for guys, guess what? Obtaining and in the case of the pill carefully using it which meant you and your partner didn’t have to fool around with condoms will become a thing of the past. I’ve stopped many a guy dead in his tracks by pointing that out to him when he would say abortions restrictions were bad but judges who would do that would also do other other things he’d like so that was small price to pay. But having to use condoms again even with his wife or long term partner? To quote Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now “The Horror.. Growing up I remember seeing those “vending machines” in public bathrooms that said “For The Prevention Of Disease Only” because even condom use was legally dicey in some jurisdictions. Those words were far more prominent than the actual brand in the several dispensers on the wall. But it was a workaround like those bathtub gin kits during Prohibition that would have some statement that said don’t mix the ingredients in this kit in this (very specific way btw) way or you will make gin and that’s against the law.
Hey, I’m an oldish fart now who is overweight and barely scraping by so even before the pandemic I had no actual social life and therefore much (damned near none) of ever getting laid again. Hell, I’m not sure I’d fuck me! However I’d like for those who can enjoy the wicked delights of indulging in their sexual desires with a willing partner to be able to do so and do so without worries of consquences like unintended pregnancies. Or for women and couples who can’t afford to have a child (or another one) to be able to terminate a pregnancy.
But unless your retirement age you don’t remember what things used to be like. People got to taking certain things for granted, even as the RWNJ crazies were quite openly chipping away at those rights that were taken for granted. And bit by bit succeeding. And being quite open about their ultimate goal. But despite that it wasn’t important enough to fight like hell to make sure those rights were truly cemented even as Justices started dodging questions about Stare Decicis (precedent) in their confirmation hearings. Then came Merrick Garland. And STILL we had assholes on OUR side who couldn’t, or worse WOULDN’T get out and vote for Clinton!
It’s going to cost. It’s going to cost a lot more than Roe v Wade being struck down, or even having to always fool around with “rubbers” again and the (at best) ten percent failure method of that form of birth control. Oh, it’s going to go WAY beyond that stuff.
I’m not – this outfit sounds more like Scientology or one of the Pentecostal cults. (I know ex-Catholics and ex-Mormons. They’re not this bad.)
I suggest reading their website. I am not convinced they are a cult. We need more information. For example, headship is a characterize of all patriarchal religions. Or are we suggesting that orthodox Judaism is a cult? Mainstream Christianity used to teach headship and some denominations still do. Does that make all of them cults? According to their website, it sounds like they are trying to create what is usually called “the New Testament church.” That is the opposite of a cult. Members of this group attend their own churches on Sunday mornings. Very uncult-like. We need a lot more information before we can conclude that her “extracurricular” group is a cult.
So yeah, ask if she supports the separation of church and state. But until we know more about this group, we should concentrate on examining her qualifications for the position. However, that is just me being pragmatic. My druther is that she would refuse to be a part of the GOP’s political crassness and refuse this appointment.
also – read it again. Then think for a bit.
Hmm…more sharpening of the guillotine by Robespierre in total ignorance on how it’s going to be taking his head soon. Seriously, people, this woman is going to regret EVER stepping up to the plate. Dems now have the excuses they ever need to change SCOTUS as they see fit.
They don’t seem to understand that she’s made her views very clear on things like Roe, and she’s well over into the minority side of those.
Meanwhile, I’d like to know how her sect feels about widows, unmarried women, and remarriage after divorce. If those are OK for men, but not for women, she shouldn’t be a judge, let alone a justice.
Just ask her whether she will support the separation of church and state. Yes or no.
Yes, it is as simple as that. Handwringing unnecessary.
I agree. Her faith wouldn’t have to come up ordinarily but she is a member of a religious group that borders on or actually practices cult-like behavior. I think in this case she can be open for questions.
The lying fake xtians in this world are the most disgusting thing other than Republicans to crawl across the surface of this world. The book of Genesis that they love so much destroys most of their evil claims on righteousness.
First it says life begins at birth or first breath. Destroys their basic complaint against abortion.
Second it has two creation stories which destroys their insistence that the one they like must be taken literally. No more monkey trials.
Third, the reason Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by God was because they were Republicans and not because they were queers. Genesis doesn’t really state why the towns were destroyed, but it provides information, none of which supports the bigots. There is more information later in the Bible and Jewish writings such as the Torah.
Oh, as to Lot, God’s favorite in Sodom offered his daughters to the mob that wanted to know (see the papers of) who the strangers were in his house. These daughters later got Daddy drunk and lay (not know) with him so they could get pregnant. Great family. The Sodomites were destroyed because they hated the poor and immigrants. One story is the last straw for God was the Sodomites killing a servant girl that gave food to a starving immigrant. That is their wickedness.
Ain’t life grand. God would have spared Sodom if they had had at least 10 righteous citizens. We have a few more than 10.
Politicians can’t attack this woman’s religion. That is true. But this information should be floated and gotten into the news cycle. Jimmy Carter should put it out there and then stand behind it. He has the credentials.
To be fair, you are extrapolating from the creation of Adam. I don’t have a problem with that, but it is not the same as “Genesis says life begins at birth or first breath.” Adam was never born, so it is not clear the method of his animation can be extrapolated. And so on. Jimmy Carter is not going to put what you wrote out there because your framing is also not quite correct.
“What the Church has done to Jesus is what the governor of California wants to do to the redwoods…take a wild & wonderful thing & turn it into den furniture.” Father Daniel Berrigan
Amazing how so many “Christians” get all worked up over Islam and “Shariah law” (the latter’s “taking over” in American jurisprudence, especially) yet they remain completely silent over CHRISTIAN behaviors and beliefs that are more oppressive and repressive than anything Islam-related.
And, considering how Trump AND the GOP raised fusses over Keith Ellison’s and Rashida Tlaib’s being sworn in on a Qur’an as well as Ilhan Omar’s wearing hijab on the House floor, ANY objections to Barrett’s “faith” is more than fair game. Otherwise, it just reinforces the far-right’s idea that Christianity LEGALLY enjoys some sort of legal supremacy over OTHER religions (despite the First Amendment’s absolute declaration to the contrary).
Someone should point out to them that the Constitution says nothing about religious books being required in taking oaths. That’s tradition, not law.
Yeah, these Christian pretenders are little better than the Almohads of Old Iberia. Those 11th Century fools thought intolerance and religious fervor would undo the damage of their predecessors. By mid-century, everything but Granada had fallen back into Christian hands because they mistook piety for skill.
That is a good point, but whoever questions Barrett about her faith should first establish that context.
To a large number of “Christians,” no amount of “context” would matter. They would declare it to be an “attack on her faith” (and, by extension, the faith of all Christians–even those who would prefer the “Christians” just shut the eff up already). After all, the “Christians” about whom I was referring have been behind any number of “Shariah law bans” in various states (whether accomplished or not) SOLELY because of Islam.
Met Ms. Barrett practice her faith all she wants, IN PRIVATE. If she is inclined to tyrannize the American people by scaling that wall of separation between church and state, or, as a “handmaiden” to her husband, who is a church official, allowing his influence to color her thinking for a free and secular populace, then she is not the one for this position. I already have issues with the socially conservative “Christian” members of the government and the court, who see prohibition rather than permission for an action, wherever the Constitution is silent. AS Alito said, he believes that there is no constitutional right to an abortion. I see it that neither is there a constitutional prohibition. The government has no business to try to attempt to determine when life begins. If it did, then let a fetus be an income tax deduction in the ear of gestation. Even in the very conservative state of Utah, where the Mormons teach that homosexuality is a sexual sin, gays are welcome in the church, and the state accepted, without challenge, the supreme court decision legalizing same gender marriage, as “the law of the land.” The church continues to each against it in the religious setting, but admonishes members to respect the choices of those who do not believe as the do, and not to reject and abandon family members who are gay, but love and support them to the best level possible without giving endorsement to their life choice. This is an acknowledgement that though we do not know why some people seem to have been born with same gender attraction, we do not know why, but as God’s children, he must love them as they are. If Ms Barrett cannot exercise this same level of understanding, then her dogma will probe more important to her oath, which makes her clearly unqualified to hold the seat of a supreme court justice.