As well you know, Trump’s evangelical cult members are the strongest supporters in his base. They’re the ones he was referring to when he said he could shoot somebody on 5th Avenue and get away with it. The reason for that is that their leaders have warped Biblical teachings into a perverse and fearful dogma, where the only answer is to destroy anybody who is different from you — because the guy at the pulpit says it’s in the Bible. Plus, their leaders are telling them anti-woman, anti-transgender, anti-immigrant Trump is sent from God. Christ spoke of the “Good News” of his kingdom. This sure as hell ain’t it.
This weekend in Central Florida, at an as-yet-undisclosed location, Pastor Patrick Boyle of the Revival Baptist Church, plans to hold a “Make America Straight Again” conference. Spectrum News 13:
“They are beyond reach, the Sodomites,” said Pastor Patrick Boyle of Revival Baptist Church, off U.S. 27. “We are not trying to reach them. We are trying to warn society that if we embrace that, you are going to lose your children … The schools are telling them it’s an alternative lifestyle choice.”
In the past few weeks, Boyle says he has received thousands of emails, calls, and messages on his church’s Facebook group from those who support the LBGTQ community.
He says those who call him extreme are calling the kettle black.
“So it’s interesting!” Boyle said. “They are going to be out there protesting love, love, love — yet if we can make a compilation of the voicemails from these crowds, it’s all but love … They hate us, and I don’t have any qualms with saying I hate them.”
Wow. He said it. Not that we didn’t know it already, but it’s one thing to know something and it’s quite another to hear it admitted. Now bear in mind, this comment just dropped from the lips of an ordained Baptist minister, a purported man of God, leader of men (not men and women, because women are chattel) and a scion of the church.
This is not even remotely Christian, and Christ himself said that this would happen. “Many men claiming to speak for me will come and say, ‘I am He.’ …But don’t follow them.” [Luke 21:8]
You’ve seen a number of Biblical quotes on this blog lately, and you will see more, because the wingnuts are losing it, big time, and the Bible does not say what they says it does. I think it’s time to grab ’em by the collection plate. If they want to proselytize hate openly from the pulpit, maybe it’s time to take away their tax-exempt status. That would get their attention, because they worship mammon not God. Which is why they love Donald Trump. He’s not in it for public service, either. He’s in it for cash. Takes a grifter to know a grifter.
At what school of theology does this “pastor” hail from? Is it a legit institute? And I have believed ever since the arrival of “The Moral Majority” on the scene that the tax exempt status should have been revoked. How can that be made to happen?
I can’t believe this Baptist minister actually admitted he hated a group of people. I predict there will be hell to pay for this, though. He might be defrocked — and deservedly so. It’s appalling to me the corruption that i see in the church. Not that this is some recent development, I just never have seen it on this scale. But then I never saw anything like we have in Washington, either.
I don’t know how we would go about revoking tax exempt status, except to prove up that they weren’t doing religious work, but rather a scam. Believe me, I’ve pondered this. Or, the alternative, you just remove tax-exempt status for all churches, and they become businesses. Maybe that’s the way to go, since that’s the way it is anyhow. Especially with the prosperity conscious evangelicals. It’s nothing but a business.
Hi Ursula….. 🙂
……but who will defrock him??? Certainly not the Talibangelical hierarchy who agree with him.
Concerning revoking tax exempt status……if they haven’t revoked the grifter Graham or that pig Falwell’s Liberty University’s tax exempt status, no one else has to worry.
The Baptist Church ordained him, they can defrock him. The Baptists have been around for quite a while. While they have their quirks, as do we all, I can’t believe they’re going to countenance a minister spewing hatred from the pulpit. I’m keeping an eye on this story. This could get very interesting.
Graham and Falwell are evangelicals. They’re more self-appointed religionists than members of any legitimate order. The evangelicals are all grifters. The Baptist Church didn’t fall into the same category, last I knew.
The Baptist Church has been vilifying minorities for eons……it’s what they do.
Think, look and do what we do or burn in Hell…… not much room for compromise.
As I explain a little above, this church is a specific denomination of Baptist.
Falwell and Graham were both Southern Baptists. They were also evangelicals, which is a generic label that usually means they saw it as a divine obligation to expand Christianity and “save souls.” Baptist was like the brand of computer they were, evangelical was the operating system. Okay…that analogy is terrible, lol.
The Southern Baptist Conference is a really loose coalition, and they’re pretty decentralized. Congregations have a lot of autonomy and control. However, the SBC does meet annually and does maintain broad guidelines of what a congregation can and cannot believe. For example, you must believe that Jesus Christ was the promised savior, and you cannot believe that this is actually Tom Cruise (despite how compelling the argument is, considering the Mission: Impossible franchise).
But this church is independent fundamentalist baptist (IFB), which means they won’t even adhere to the SBC or its guidelines. In the late 19th century through the Great Depression, many baptists became increasingly aggressive against science, technology, liberalism and…well…just make a list of what Rush Limbaugh hates. They hate those things too.
During this period, congregations broke away and went independent all over the place. Like one big issue – plate tectonics. (No, really.) The Southern Baptists eventually adopted this science…albeit they believe god created the earth this way a couple thousand years ago…but this was TOO FAR for many congregations, who from 1930-1950 broke away over this issue. Also evolution, the New Deal, public education, the civil rights movement, and maybe Double Stuff Oreos on some level.
As an IFB congregation, this pastor doesn’t answer to anyone other than his congregation. He can be as hateful as he wants to be without any real repercussions. Which has always kinda been the point of IFB congregations. They really are an American Taliban.
This is enlightening and I never would have guessed. The Southern Baptist Conference has zero authority? What if this wingnut declares that Tom Cruize is the savior, to use your example? If his congregation buys it, then it’s perfectly acceptable? This whacko has total autonomy?
This is too weird for me. And the Baptists had problems with the techtonic plates? Seriously? OMG. Why, because it gave a different explanation as to why earthquakes happened, other than God was p.o.ed that day?
The Baptists aren’t really “a church” – they’re a lot of churches. Some are worse than others, but there’s no Baptist central authority.
My faves are the ones who dance jigs with rattlesnakes in their hands and drink arsenic.
Hardcore.
*smirk*
My God, am I getting an education in this thread. This is snark, right? But snark based on some actual voodoo that they do so well?
Here is a story CNN did on the snake dancers……
To me it explains the whole Trump voter thing.
I thought the Southern Baptist Conference was some kind of governing body. My bad. Now I realize they’re just all out of control. Not surprising.
I looked up the church, and this is independent fundamentalist evangelical baptist.
IFB churches broke away from the Southern Baptist convention, and represent about 1/3 of US Baptists (or about 2.5% of the total population of the nation).
What that means is that they aren’t part of a larger group…they’re decentralized, so that the congregation itself has total autonomy. There’s a network of independent fundamentalist churches, and they stay in contact and help each other out, but they don’t have any control over one another. Nobody authorized this pastor to preach…he was just “called” by god and went and opened a church, where he can say whatever he wants and interpret the Bible as he sees fit.
The fundamentalist part means that they believe the King James Bible to be literally and immutably true from cover to cover. (Which doesn’t make a lot of sense, it contradicts itself all over, but whatever.) What I would say about fundamentalism is that it allows people to rationalize the worst in themselves or others. You can justify rape…slavery…just about anything, if you believe that because it was written down 5,000 years ago it is the word of an all-powerful being.
What is stated in this piece, and the idea behind the event is, I’m sad to say, pretty typical of this denomination. They very much blame a lot of the nation’s ills on LGBT individuals, and believe that homosexuality is bringing about the end times (which, given that they believe they’ll be massively rewarded, shouldn’t they be thanking us??)
And if you really want to believe that the KJV is the literal word of god, and all other translations are heretical, and that Protestantism is older than the RCs (and some preach that, too) – then the IFB may be your kind of sect. (There are some others that think the SBC is too liberal. Assembly of God, for one – they won’t even go to secular events held at places owned by a Baptist organization.)
I suppose it’s relative like everything else in life. It never would have crossed my mind that the Southern Baptist Conference could be considered too liberal for anybody, but as I said up thread, I’m getting an education in this thread tonight. Wow.
The anti-LGBT fervor is ramping up all over the place. Pat Robertson is predicting the end of the world if the Equality Act is passed, do you love it? I knew homophobia was bad, but not this bad. I may write a piece on that. I didn’t intend to turn this blog into Wingnuttia Weirdness Central, but this is getting intense. People need to know this stuff is going on. To the degree that I can be shocked by anything on Trump’s watch, I am shocked by this open, vile expression of hate.
I love how they fear monger people: ” you are going to lose your children … The schools are telling them it’s an alternative lifestyle choice”.
Lifestyle choice? Like I can change my eye color with a tinted contact lense and say there I ‘ve changed my eye color therefore it was a choice!
I would find it interesting if there are schools saying it’s a “lifestyle choice.” Every gay or lesbian person I’ve ever spoken to on this topic has assured me, to the man and to the woman, that they were born that way — just as I was born hetero.
I saw a Star Trek Next Generation episode once, where being gay was the norm on a certain planet and a heterosexual woman was passing as gay, but then she fell in love with Commander Riker and was found out. It was a good episode. Interesting to think about the shoe on the other foot.
There’s a novel, “Ethan of Athos”, about a planet that’s all male, where reproduction is all done by IVF of imported eggs, and complications arise when someone send them cow ovaries instead of human.
I hate it when that happens……
You are cracking me up tonight, sock. Wingnuttia stories bring out the best in you.
Actually, Ursula, you’re slightly misremembering that episode (“The Outcast,” for the record). The alien race in question was ANDROGYNOUS–they had no GENDER expression as “male/female” so it was less “straight/gay” as much as “cisgender/transgender” (which, itself, isn’t really a good description even though the main alien character does have a speech where she states outright, “I am female. I was born that way. I have had those feelings, those longings, all of my life. It is not unnatural. I am not sick because I feel this way. I do not need to be helped . . . “).
Also, ALL of the members of the alien race who appeared on screen were portrayed by women–a bit ironically because the producers, at the time, were concerned with the idea of Riker (Jonathan Frakes) becoming romantically involved with an alien character played by a man (even if the storyline had progressed in exactly the same manner–with the alien character declaring an affirmative female status). Well, actually, they were more concerned with how the (mostly male) audience would react to Kirk–I mean, Riker–kissing another man.
Your memory is far better than mine. I just remember that it did what I love science fiction for doing, which is putting social issues in context by showing them on other worlds. Rod Serling said, “I can’t talk about Democrats and Republicans without being censored, but I can talk about Martians and robots. Indeed he could.
……and Jesus said, “but if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, blow their fn heads off…..”
-Patrick Boyle’s New Talibangelical Testament and Huntin’ Magazine
I love the label, “Talibangelical” and I like “Evilgelical” as well. Both labels are more accurate than evangelical. An evangelical is supposed to spread the good news of the gospel. This is anything but the gospel of Jesus. This is a sick, backward cult.
Personally, I can think of no greater sin, no larger evil, than to pervert the teachings of a prophet of peace to suit their own misguided, burning hatred.
They seem to prefer the strictest possible misreadings of Paul and the other epistles, as if the world now were exactly the same as it was 2000 years ago. (They don’t have seminaries teaching them koine (the common version of Greek), or Aramaic, or history of the region, or anything that would tell them how wrong they are.)
You’re so informed, PJ. Maybe you should write a piece on this.
Ezekiel 16:49: Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. 50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
Pastor Boyle and all those who embrace Trump, and his greed, and the inhospitable intolerance toward the stranger, the unwelcoming, callous selfishness of the GOP agenda; the pride and arrogance that the wealthiest nation in the history of humanity can allow millions of children to live in poverty – those are the real sodomites.
But don’t take my word for it…it was an actual prophet of god who said that, not me.
Not only do children live in poverty, but homelessness has gone up. Here in L.A. it went up 12% in the past year. Also, Trump’s administration wants to cut food stamps, housing, the works. No social safety net is the top priority of the GOP agenda.
You’re so informed on religious topics. As I told PJ upthread, maybe you should post a piece. This is the most fascinating thread I’ve read in a while, here or anywhere.
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