Every year America’s mayor, which should now be amended to America’s lush, gives a commemorative 9/11 dinner. Only seeing is believing this year’s entry, which took place at Cipriani in New York City, with Steve Bannon, Joe diGenova, and Victoria Toensing in attendance. No word at this moment how many shirts Bannon wore. Rudy was in fine form.
Rudy rolled into the 9/11 dinner drunk out of his mind tonight. Here he is giving his Queen Elisabeth impression, and assuring the audience he was never with a young girl and Prince Andrew. pic.twitter.com/U40YSzS34X
— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) September 12, 2021
And there’s more. He mispronounces Mark Milley’s name while disparaging him and then of course he has to jab Joe Biden. What else.
I’m not sure I have ever seen someone give a speech at a formal occasion as drunk as Rudy Giuliani is right now at the 9/11 dinner. pic.twitter.com/54G5oCuBe3
— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) September 12, 2021
I’d like to see him assault Mark Milley. That would be a sight for the ages. My God, what have we come to in this country, when a 9/11 commemorative dinner turns into a right-wing media shit show?
At least Rudy hasn’t starting inking like an octopus. Octopuses squirt ink when they’re threatened and fleeing their prey. At least that’s the best explanation I ever got for the hair dye episode. And also, he hasn’t been recorded farting tonight. If you consider what could have happened this evening and this is it, it’s actually quite tame that all he did was mock the Queen of England and fantasize a graphic assault on the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Let’s put this in perspective now, remember, everything is relative.
If I had to live his life, the way he’s made it, I wouldn’t want to be sober either.
An airbase in a hostile country 400 mniles by land from China is ‘strategically important’? What sort of range does the posturing idiot think USAF aircraft have?
The USAF has bases in Japan and South Korea which aren’t being attacked by the locals but Bagram is ‘more important’. Well maybe it would be if the USAF was still using B25s
As for the ‘knighthood’ It’s common for an award to be given by the Brits to a foreign national but they are not required to give up their nationality. Does he think any of the following stopped being US citizens?
George H W Bush GCB
Dwight D Eisenhower GCB
Bill Gates KBE
Melinda Gates DBE
Mark Getty KBE
Paul Getty KBE
Billy Graham KBE
J Edgar Hoover KBE
Bob Hope KBE
Angelina Jolie DCMG
Ralph Lauren KBE
Yehudi Menuhin, Baron Menuhin KBE
André Previn KBE
Ronald Reagan GCB
Dame Marjorie Scardino DBE
Steven Spielberg KBE
GCB – Knight Grand Cross, Order of the Bath, KBE – Knight of the Order of the British Empire DCBE (Dame) is the female equivalent KCMG – Knight Commander of the Order of St Michael and St George
Oh and please note, Yehudi Menuhin not only has a knighthood, he’s also an honorary lord
ALL of the above were US citizens and never lost their citizenship.
Rudi – you really need to check simple provable facts before lying about them
Looking at the Wiki article on “List of honorary British knights and dames,” Giuliani is STILL listed as a knight (and his own Wiki page mentions the honor but nothing about turning it down). Nor does Giuliani’s name appear on the VERY long list of people who declined or refused any British honour (spelling deliberate) on the Wiki page with that list (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_have_declined_a_British_honour#As_a_Knight_Commander_(KBE) ) although that list does seem to reflect people for whom the honour in question would have real meaning (ie, British subjects/citizens).
Also, it’s worth noting that Eisenhower received TWO knighthoods during his military service in 1945 (Knight of the British Empire and the Order of Merit; with the OM, he was only the 6th foreigner and 1st American to receive it, and it was the first awarded following V-E Day) and later received a KBE from Queen Elizabeth II.
Americans are entitled to use the letters of their honour after their names but they’re not entitled to the use of “Sir” or “Dame” but, as Americans, the letters hold no weight. If Giuliani wishes to recognize the honour, he can sign his documents as “Rudolph Giuliani KBE” but they have no more weight or bearing to his signature than if he doesn’t use the letters. (Should Giuliani ever move to a Commonwealth country that still participate in the Order of the British Empire–the UK itself, Belize, the Bahamas, Papua New Guinea, most of the former British Caribbean island states–he could receive the full legal honour, including being formally dubbed and gaining the privilege of being “Sir Rudolph Giuliani, KBE.” Unless/until that happens, he’s free to just be “Rudolph Giuliani, KBE, ASS.”)
It’s a little more complicated. American citizens can be knighted without losing their citizenship, yes, but they are considered “honorary” knights (or dames). So they can append the “KBE” or “GCE” or whatever, but they cannot use the title “Sir” or “Dame” before their name. This is due to the famous Emoluments Clause (Article I, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution: “No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.” Yehudi Menuhin is a special case; he received the honorary KBE in the 1960s, but in 1985 he actually became a British citizen as of May 1, 1985, without having to give up his American and Swiss citizenships. At that point his honorary knighthood became a real one and he became Sir Yehudi and the title of “Baron” was also conferred on him.
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a1521/famous-knights-knighted-celebrities/
So, as shit-faced as he was, Ghouliani was not totally wrong.
Um, yes. He WAS totally wrong. When the Queen bestowed the honorary knighthood on him, he was a PRIVATE CITIZEN (ie, he was not “holding any office of profit or trust under them” at the time).
BUT, even if that were a real concern, all it takes is for the person in question to request Congress grant an exemption for the title. (That’s one reason why Eisenhower could get his two knighthoods in 1945; Congress had, a couple of years earlier, passed a bill that would allow US military officials to be able to accept titles and/or awards of merit from European countries that might offer such during or after the war.) Presidents routinely receive gifts (typically of a minimal material value but sometimes being truly valuable) from foreign governments and are expected to turn the gifts over to the State Department or request permission of the Congress to keep the gift (usually if the gift is some kind of “personal” trinket like a book or shirt, Congress will grant the exemption but if there’s real value–like a Fabergé egg or a piece of jewelry–then it won’t).
Eisenhower, Reagan, and Bush Sr. were all HONORARY Knights of Bath. They could not use the title “Sir”. Eisenhower’s other British honor was the Order of Merit, which as Daithi points out, is not a knighthood.
What Giuliani said about turning down a knighthood is BS. He was awarded an honorary KBE by the Queen in Feb. 2002; he did not turn it down. But it’s true that if he wanted to call himself “Sir Rudolph” he would have to get British citizenship. As he delivered the speech in a near-paralytic state, he didn’t explain this very well. Perhaps the Queen will consider revoking the KBE.
He also lied about the procedure. The sovereign doesn’t just turn round and offer a knighthood – that starts with a vetting and the proposed recipient is asked by them if they will accept the honour. If they refuse, it stops there and then. The list is then appreoved by the Prime Minister who then publishes it. The sovereign’s sole involvement is hitting the recipent on the shoulder with a sword. The ONLY knighthodsin the direct gift of the sovereign are the Garter (KG), Thistle (KT) and St Patrick (KP). KT is rserved for Scots and there hasn’t been a KP since 1922. (and an OM isn’t a knighthood)
Oh, and as far as I’m aware, any ‘gift’ from a foreign government to a US official may be kept by the recipient if they pay its actual value to the State Department