Good morning, esteemed justices of the Supreme Court. To begin with, it seems to me that the ultimate test of the resolution of this case will revolve almost solely around the meaning of the word sedition. And as such, I offer the dictionary definition of sedition;
conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.
You’ll note that the definition says nothing specifically about democracy, it simply states any attempt to incite violence against the authority of a state or monarchy. sedition is not restricted to American democracy.
We have, as a country, already had a too close brush with sedition. Confederate States of America President Jefferson Davis was both a traitor to the United States, as well as the premier seditionist of our long history. He not only promulgated sedition, he literally led an armed insurrection against the duly elected and authorized government of the United States. And even Jefferson Davis, the arch enemy of democracy in the United States, when confronted with Article 3 of the 14th Amendment, admitted that it precluded him from ever holding office again.
But sedition is not native to the United States, nor is it our exclusive property. All that is necessary in any country is for a group of radical firebrands to conspire to, and then act to overthrow whatever duly authorized form of government.
Which has also happened before in history, and I believe this event has both predication as well as compelling legal precedent in this court today. Cast your minds back to November 8-9 November of 1923. The notorious Munich Beer Hall Putsch. Adolf Hitler called his followers together to a Munich beer hall to whip them into a frenzy to march to the Munich Government Center, take it over, and declare the Weimar government kaput, and the Nazi party the rightful governing body of the Republic of Germany. Close your eyes, and just consider the seditionist rhetoric he used;
- The system is rigged against you
- The others are taking your country away from you
- We can never keep control of our country with weakness! You have to show strength!
- If you don’t fight like hell for your country, then you won’t have any country left!
- When we leave here, we’re going to march to the capitol, and I’ll be right there with you, and we’re going to fight like hell to take our country back!
I must admit here that I was not in that beer hall in Munich on November 8-9 of 2023, it was past my bedtime. And although those words were all part of Hitler’s populist claptrap, I cannot attest to the fact that he used them that night.
Which doesn’t matter. Simply because it was another populist demagogue, fascist, dictator wanna be who actually did use every one of them. And that was then President Donald John Trump, from the Ellipse to a crowd of his supporters on January 6th, 2021. He used those words, already knowing that many of the supporters in the crowd were armed, to incite them to march to the Capitol, assault local, state and federal peace officers discharging their sworn duties, breach the secured Capitol of the United States, and attempt to subvert the will of the people in a desperate attempt to stop the rightfully elected President from taking office.
The issue here is simple, and not even really subject to debate. The 3rd Article of the 14th Amendment of the United States Constitution bars any officer of the United States, who swore an oath to protect the Constitution, and then incited, supported, or aided and abetted in an insurrection against the United States from holding office again.
Use your minds. Use your logic. Use the law. You have heard the words of former President Donald Trump from his own mouth. And as I’ve displayed, any or all of them would have fit Adolf Hitler perfectly. The Constitution is clear. There was no mention of congress being required to activate the clause. And the framers have always been perfetly capable of tossing in a codicil or two where applicable.
The law is clear. The substantive statements made on January 6th, 2021 are crystal clear. Former President Trump actively sought to incite, and gave gull support to an insurrection against the government of the United States. And according to article 3 of the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution, Donald John Trump is ineligible to hold the office of President of the United States. Thank you.
I thank you for the privilege of your time.
I agree. It’s not complicated at all. It’s simple logic to reach the conclusion Trump is ineligible for any elected or appointed Office. The reaction of course would be anything but. However that shouldn’t factor into things for a judge (or justice) impartially following the law, or Constitution. People sometimes and in fact often do raise hell. Even engage in large, sometimes massive protests. So what? As long at they don’t get violent, like say on Jan. 6 people have the right to assemble and protest. That’s part of what makes us or any free country free. Now, if there are concerns and even outright threats of violence it’s all the more reason to slap down and slap down hard on crap like Trump is trying to do.
Even with the third rate lawyers he’s now able to get he could probably beat the rap if charged with threats over statements about being his MAGA’s “retribution”, or being a dictator” and so on. People make what everyone knows are threats every damned day but meeting the legal standard for a conviction is damned tough. But what the hell. He’s already dealing with so many court cases what’s one more?
Gotta remember that *some* of these justices felt so massively inconvenienced about people daring to protest against their very personages at a public restaurant or even outside their private residences following the Dobbs decision that they complained to the Congress to enact some kind of “protection” against these “radical” protestors. And yet, they’ll argue their job is supposed to be “above” mere partisan politics but every one of them (more typically, the hypocritical right-wingers) have no problem allowing their personal political views determine how to apply the principles of the law–they just don’t want to be subjected to a reaction to their decisions.
Hitler at least had the guts to lead his efforts and didn’t hide in the beer hall clapping his hands with glee as others paid the price for his rebellion. He was a maniac but Trump is a maniac and a coward. Hitler went to prison. Trump went to play golf in Florida, still leading his rebellion three years later. Which country seems more ripe for a fascist takeover? Woke? I’ve yet to see us awake to the danger.
Sadly, logic, history, and stare decisive don’t matter to this court. They are ideologues who actually WANT Trump.to win. The Opus Dei Six, with the possible exception of Roberts, don’t give a thinkers damn about anything other than taking this country back to the antebellum period when women, PoC and non-Christians had few rights
total bullshit!you asshats are clearly Delusional! Only a mental patient would sit here and believe Cherry-picked words that you portray as invoking an insurrection. Not one time during the entire speech.
Did he promote any type of violence? And it is perfectly clear that anyone that says that he did did not even watch the speech. Which makes you a Far greater threat to this nation and Trump will ever be. You are a mindless it simply follows the lies of other fools
Masterfully argued. Now let’s see if the supremes can bottle up their biases and use their heads for once.