With defense witnesses like this, who needs prosecutors? Once again, somebody in Trump world is sinking its star defendant’s fortunes. This time it’s Eli Bartov, an accounting professor at NYU, who seeks to convince people that accounting is some dark art and not an objective science.
This is as bizarre as Donald Trump’s allegation that a disclaimer clause somehow vitiates all responsibility for figures being accurate. That’s a new concept as well and one that Trump has repeated over and over again. Here’s the cigarette crack and it did not go over well.
And now he is testifying that the information in the accompanying footnotes should be heeded; it’s like a warning from the Surgeon General on a box of cigarettes, he explains. (Comparing the Trump Org. to a box of cigarettes is probably not the analogy the defense wanted.)
— Lisa Rubin (@lawofruby) December 7, 2023
More from Bartov’s testimony and from this morning’s court activity.
Price derived from a market transaction, he says, is the only objective measure of value. Everything else is subjective, and valuation is nothing more than an opinion that can never be anything but subjective.
— Lisa Rubin (@lawofruby) December 7, 2023
When a preparer prepares a statement of financial condition, they must follow Accounting Standard Codified 274, which dictates that the value must reflect estimated current value.
— Lisa Rubin (@lawofruby) December 7, 2023
With respect to financial statements prepared under ASC 274, the standard of “fair value” otherwise applicable under accounting rules does not apply, Bartov explains.
— Lisa Rubin (@lawofruby) December 7, 2023
Hang onto your chair, here comes another whammy.
Damodaran writes, “Valuation is neither the science that some of its proponents make it out to be nor the objective search for the true value that idealists would like it to become.”
— Lisa Rubin (@lawofruby) December 7, 2023
This is another OMG moment, in my opinion. Mathematics is an absolute science, last I knew. As it applies to the marketplace, yes, if we have two cars of the same make and model, for example, but one is in better condition, we may need to modify numbers a bit to account for “fair” condition as opposed to “excellent” but in no way is a 2008 Honda Accord going to be worth $6,000 to one person and $50,000 to another. But unless I’m misunderstanding this guy, that’s what he would have you believe.
This is as much of a sophist argument as when Trump was debating the way in which square footage was measured, when he was accused of not reporting the correct square footage of his Trump Tower penthouse. It’s length and width of the rooms, Donald, that’s how it’s done. And unless you’ve got walls that are moving interdimensionally and that affects the measurements, it’s always going to be length and width.
Damodaran further explains that even if the models used for valuation are quantitative, the inputs “leave plenty of room for subjective judgments” and is “colored by the bias that we bring.”
— Lisa Rubin (@lawofruby) December 7, 2023
In Wonderland the words mean what you want them to mean and in Trump world, such things as measurements, valuations, are whatever number you want them to be.
And then here’s where the Surgeon General’s warning on the cigarette pack comment took place and here’s what was said after it.
And indeed, he testifies that if one of his students were to tell him the disclaimer were designed for the perspective of the preparer, he would say that’s “absurd.”
— Lisa Rubin (@lawofruby) December 7, 2023
Then it degenerated into a shouting match.
If you’re looking for a definition of the psychological term “gaslight” I can refer you to no better source than the transcript of this court trial involving the Trump Organization. Wow.
Wallace wasn’t impugning bartov’s truthfulness, he is impugning, and rightly so, the guy’s intelligence. This guy is a professor? Of what? Wishful Thinking 101? If NYU is paying this guy, that probably ought to stop and damned soon. Folks who see an accountant and see their degree is from NYU might want to get another accountant. This bartov person basically just stated GAAP doesn’t really exist-or at least some of its most important principles. I’m guessing it doesn’t in his tiny mind.
What an absolute fool.
‘Professor’ has lost some allure since one just went on a killing spree because he didn’t get a job. In case the mob forgets…the judge has ALREADY reviewed the depositions and the paperwork, and DETERMINED THERE WAS FRAUD. This is about damages. Baby huey showed up to WHINE…he didn’t bring the cheese. It’s clear he’s TERRIFIED the damages are going to destroy his image of being a billionaire. Having a witness claim you can put any figures down you want to secure a loan, and that the bank is responsible for conducting an investigation to determine the truthfulness is great news. I’m going down to my bank and give them made up numbers so I can get a great loan. I can’t decide whether to borrow a million or a hundred million. Think I’ll go with the hundred…er…five hundred million…no…wait…a billion dollars. Yeah. That’s a nice round number.
The cigarette analogy is a good one. Close exposure to anything Trump is involved in may have deleterious effects on your health, wealth and life. He should have big warning stickers all around him.
Just ask all those people worst affected by his Covid policies.
Oh wait, you can’t, they’re dead.
Good one!
YEP 763,000 of them !
Thanks for the reminder!
Your “… If you’re looking for a definition of the psychological term “gaslight” I can refer you to no better source than the transcript of this court trial involving the Trump Organization. Wow.…” Yes. Wow!
Despite the fact that I hold the the view that Donald J. Trump has the intellectual capacity of a stone, I agree entirely with all of the Professor’s assertions about US GAAP. I would add that the representations he made would also apply IAS. Having spent over half my life as a commercial lender, I can assure you that sale price is the only objective valuation. A reputable commercial real estate appraiser (many are far less than reputable despite having signed onto the code of conduct) will be the first person to support the truth of sale price as the only measure of value (ignoring tax driven sales and rentals).
Doug…neither you or I have seen the trove of documents the judge has. It’s not just about one side of the equation. He inflated value for loans and deflated value to cheat on taxes. So do you agree that’s legal? If so you must be a crook also.
I just read that the destruction of Sodom wasn’t god’s punishment for un-xthian behavior. It was an asteroid! Which is a perfect example of the pitfalls of reading the bible literally. Those guys who wrote the bible have an excuse for getting it wrong. As for the xthian fascists who are the cheerleaders for the orange toadie today there is NO excuse.
Bartov was just taking it a step further, in essence saying, “There is no objective reality; truth and words mean nothing, therefore the legal system is meaningless and impotent.” He should never show his face in public again for brazenly making sh!t up like that. He struck me as deluded and a lost cause.
His testimony was for naught anyway, (except for a chance to add to the cesspool of public misinformation they spout). Trump has already been found guilty for fraud. This is only to determine how much $$$ he is going to be out.
brakester…there are few definitive proofs about who wrote most of the books in the COLLECTION put in the Bible by bureaucrats. Right and wrong are totally subjective judgements looking back thousands of years. Hell most can’t keep track what happened yesterday. Then people were illiterate except for a minority. Today literacy is everywhere yet are we any smarter or wiser? Nope. The goddamn war to stop Hitler was fought by people I grew up knowing yet WE’VE ALREADY FORGOTTEN THE SACRIFICES AND THE LESSON. I’d ask that guy, since there is no objective reality, please accompany me to the top of the building and jump. Don’t worry about gravity…it’s just an opinion. Hey, most people will lie if you pay them a fortune for a few minutes of work.
Men are more careful of their pocketbooks than their principles. Ralph Waldo Emerson