When 60 Minutes anchor Scott Pelley sat down with Moms For Liberty co-founders Tiffany Justice and Tina Descovich, he wanted to know why the group, considered an anti-government group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, is trying to determine what every child in every school in the U.S. should be allowed to read.

He sought specific answers to specific questions. He got anything but. As Media Matters for America (MMFA) notes, Justice and Descovich folded under Pelley’s relentless questioning.

During one part of the interview, Descovich complained that “there are rogue teachers in America’s classrooms right now,” as Justice parroted one of the group’s typical talking points: “Parents send their children to school to be educated, not indoctrinated into ideology.”

So naturally, Pelley wanted to know: “What ideology are they being indoctrinated into?”

But why answer the actual question when you can do your level best to obfuscate? That’s what Descovich tried to do by saying, “Let’s just say children in America cannot read.”

Pelley was undeterred and made note of their evasiveness and then leaned in with “What ideology are the children being indoctrinated into?”

Their response? Crickets.

So after never explaining what a “rogue teacher” is, Justice referred to another “Moms” talking point — that children are somehow being “indoctrinated into ideology,” then of course, was unable to even describe what ideology she was talking about. MMFA notes this is typical of “Moms for Liberty’s overall strategy of creating fear about something the group can’t even identify.”

I would argue that this type of fearmongering is typical of extremist groups everywhere. They are trying to frighten people by using fuzzy rhetoric that they themselves don’t even understand. They just want you to hate whoever it is that they’re trying to alienate.

This became clear during another part of the interview when Pelley asked Justice and Descovich about their frequent use of the extremist smear “groomer” to describe anyone who disagrees with the group’s stance, especially since this offensive term has been used on everyone ranging from librarians to everyday people like us.

“I’m just asking, what do you mean by that? what do you mean by ‘grooming?'” Pelley wanted to know.

Justice blew right past the question, instead saying, “Parents want to partner with their children’s schools. But we do not co-parent with the government?”

Whut? The hell does that even mean?

But journalists like Pelley have cut their teeth on obfuscations like this. So he soldiered on.

“‘Grooming’ does not seem like a word that you want to take on.”

No sh*t detected again. Justice continued the deflections. “You know, we did some polling and we asked — we really wanted to know where are the American people on this issue of parental rights and what’s happening in our schools.”

Rather than continue with Justice and Descovich’s fatuous talking points, the 60 Minutes segment took another path, with a transition that acknowledged Justice and Descovich were “dodging questions.”

Now, my dear old daddy used to say “If you lie down with dogs you get fleas.” So of course in the aftermath of the interviews, the “fleas” (right-wing media) are biting.

Even though Justice and Descovich are co-founders of this odious group, they obviously aren’t used to the hard questions. But make no mistake, their agenda is one of hate. They want robot parents who think exactly like they do, no matter how messed up that thinking is. And the third co-founder, Bridget Ziegler, resigned in disgrace from the group after Sarasota police detectives unearthed a sex tape that showed she was involved along with, her husband Christian Ziegler, and another woman. Christian Ziegler has been cleared of sexual battery charges.

So apparently the group’s motto could be “do as we say, not as we do.” I don’t know. I’m just throwing that out there.

The next day Justice did what she customarily does — show up on Steve Bannon’s War Room podcast to kvetch about her treatment at the hands of the big, bad journalist.

The two spent almost 11 minutes complaining about Pelley for purportedly subjecting the LGBTQ+-hating activist to unfair scrutiny. They did this by reading Moms for Liberty’s tweets to her and asking for her response. All because Pelley asked them about their definition of “grooming” and what exactly children were being “indoctrinated” into.

Really, Justice and Descovich turned the 60-Minutes interview into the best kind of interview. One that showcased their hateful agenda and proved they are incapable of leading anything because of their incompetence.

We can be glad for that.

Justice has, on numerous occasions used Bannon’s podcast as a soapbox. In this instance, she knew she soiled the bed, so she used this opportunity to vent her 60 Minutes frustration. Because people are finding out about Moms hypocrisy and the group’s agenda of hate. As MMFA notes, Justice “used War Room and other right-wing media programs to build up Moms for Liberty in 2021 and 2022, and then leveraged that growth into a series of friendly mainstream media profiles and interviews.”

Fortunately, as the 60 Minutes segment shows, the group’s jig is up.

But as Justice talked to Bannon, she accused the venerated CBS News program of deceptively editing her responses.

“You’re saying they selectively edited out your answers,” Bannon queried.

“Yeah, they wanted to make it seem like tina and i didn’t know what we were talking about, i guess,” she said.

At one point Bannon said CBS was trying to make Moms for Liberty look like “bad and evil people, that are hurting people, bullies, whatever you want to call it,” because I don’t know, perhaps they are?

You know?

There have been countless examples of Moms for Liberty bullying and intimidating teachers and administrators, and this includes an incident where Justice’s behavior was “so disruptive and disrespectful,” said one superintendent that she “could be barred from the campus.”

At another point in the War Room segment, Bannon noted that Moms for Liberty was “trending” on X, with one of the popular terms being “Klansman Karenhood.”

“they’re trying to say you’re the new klan.”

For once, Bannon gets it right. Ironically. Moms is the Klan on steroids. This group wants to erase Black history, LGBTQ+ history, and in fact, anything having to do with this community. They practice a hateful agenda that they want to impose on everyone. And the weird fact is that Justice really has the wrong name. She’s got a skewed idea of what justice really means, and Moms for Liberty isn’t for Liberty, unless you’re talking about right-wing dirtbags who want to cause real harm to innocent people.

Including our children. Shameful.

Here’s a clip of the interview below.

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  1. I hope the producers of “60 Minutes” file a lawsuit over Bannon’s slanderous contention (not that Bannon would *ever* selectively edit material) and inJustice’s failure to contradict Bannon. Put the UNEDITED material to the public–and a court–and get Bannon off the air forever and bankrupt the “Moms Against Liberty.”

  2. I will never understand people who bitch about 60 Minutes’ interviews they did. Do they not watch the program? 60 minutes is kind of all about exposing bullsh*t. I’ll never forget the one they did of Jim Bakker and Tammy Fay-I always figured she was on ludes what with the crying on command show she always put on and low and behold…60 Minutes exposed them as the cons they were (as all evangs are really). The outrage in the south was extremely humorous to watch–60 Minutes asked “unfair” questions, “did a hatchet job”, etc. No, 60 Minutes interviewed those two and did some research. Then they aired a show much like they always did. If the Bakkers didn’t want sunshine lighting up their lives/con game, they shouldn’t have agreed to be on 60 Minutes.

    You’ve got to expect 60 Minutes is going to expose sh*t like hypocrisy, etc. It’s what they do f.f.s.

  3. Typical right-wing hypocrites. If they simply wanted to censor what THEIR OWN kids, I could respect, but they want to censor what EVERYONE ELSE’S children read. In other words,they want freedom for THEM but not more liberal.parents.
    Retired librarian here. When I was working I had exactly ONE complaint from.a parent. I would choose a different profession today.

    • I can’t really blame you, considering the way things are today. I’m old enough that I was a newspaper reporter for many years. So many newspapers have vanished. I’m sad for those days. The rats have boarded the magic ship.

  4. I’d love to see a lawsuit for Bannon’s slander, and expect it would be successful, ɓut he’s unfortunately not going to be “thrown off the air” – he’s running an internet podcast.


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