Look, don’t get me wrong. I’m uber glad that Russia and the Ukraine are talking. When you have two opposing modern armies slaughtering each other on the battlefield, especially an urban battlefield, Talking is always better than not talking. I just can’t for the life of me figure out what they’re talking about?

Look, I happen to know a little something about negotiating, although not in the international arena. I spent 20 years as a pilot crew scheduler for United Airlines. The airline had schedules and rules, and the pilots had a contract with the company to protect them. And pretty much any time you asked a pilot to do something, a negotiation was pretty much immediate and assumed. Unless of course the deal favored the pilot, something like You fly this one day trip for me, and I’ll drop your 3 day trip, but pay you for the 3 day trip. These were kind of easy.

But see, here’s the kicker. Both sides went into the negotiation knowing what they wanted, and what the other side wanted. And unless each side thought that they were getting something of equal value to what they were giving up, both sides hung up the phone. The secret was to find the sweet spot in the middle that everybody could live with.

But here’s the problem in a nutshell. What the fuck does Putin want?!? Nobody knows because he himself doesn’t know what he wants. What he wants is already gone. Putin is delusional, he went into this war thoroughly convinced of the invincibility of his armed forces. He foresaw total victory in 10 days, so why bother with a fallback position. And now he’s getting his ass kicked at all turns, and he has no idea of what to do.

The object of any negotiation is to allow each side to come out feeling like they won, or at least they came out even. But Putin’s stupidity, and the pathetic incompetence of his armed forces have made it almost practically impossible to come out of this looking like he even fought to a draw, much less won. An that is intolerable to Putin.

Let’s start with the basics. Putin’s original bullshit premise for invading Ukraine was that Ukraine was committing atrocities against Russians in the two breakaway republics, and he was protecting ethnic Russians. OK Vlad, whatever gets ya through the night. But here’s the problem with that line of reasoning.

If all Putin wanted from his incursion was to protect the ethnic Russians in the two breakaway republics, he could have accomplished that in the first 48 hours! Ukraine didn’t offer serious resistance to the Russian troops that streamed over the border into the two breakaway republics. They’ve spent 8 years fighting these Putin supplied assholes. As long as Putin didn’t demand that the breakaway republics have a say in the Ukrainian legislature or constitution, he could have them, and good riddance. The conflict would be over, with some fancy diplomatic language to follow.

But Putin didn’t stop. Without so much as a pause at the borders of the breakaway republics, his forces streamed over into the middle of Ukraine. And they were joined by Russian troops streaming across the Belarus border, nowhere near the breakaway republics. The implication was clear, Putin wanted to invade and reclaim Ukraine. Which isn’t working out so well for him.

I’m sorry, but from where I’m sitting, Putin is trying to play a traditional ratfuck on the Ukrainians. Keep their government concentrating on negotiations, believing there may be a way to stop the carnage, while he increases his pulverisation of Ukrainian cities. And I say this because of Putin’s opening gambit.

Just look at his starting position for negotiations. Putin wants Ukraine to recognize the sovereignty of the two breakaway republics yet give them representation in the Ukraine parliament. He wants Ukraine to formally recognize Crimea as a part of Russia. He wants assurances that Ukraine will forego any attempt to join the European Union, He wants an ironclad guarantee that Ukraine will never apply for membership in NATO, and he wants a guarantee that Ukraine will demilitarize. Putin is talking about Ukraine turning itself into a vassal state of Russia.

Jesus, Mary and Joseph! Why would Zelensky even consider a single one of those proposals other than giving up the two breakaway republics with a corridor to Russia without recognition in the Ukraine parliament? After all, Ukraine is kicking Putin’s ass right now, and that doesn’t look to change any time in the near future. Why should Ukraine give this arrogant asshole squat diddly to get him off of the ledge he put himself on?

And if you think that the starting position is bad, just wait. What happens when Ukrainian negotiators start demanding Russian war reparations to help them to rebuild their country? Why should Ukraine and the west pay the total freight to rebuild the country.

I’m sorry, but I don’t see anywhere for these negotiations to go. Putin is delusional, autocratic, and a sociopath. The only thing he will accept is the complete capitulation of Ukraine, and Ukraine is not in a position to even consider that. The diplomats will continue to make moo-cow noises while the slaughter continues. And eventually Ukraine will tell Putin to go and fuck himself. As well they should, they’re winning.

 

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5 COMMENTS

  1. Russia thinks it’s negotiating Ukraine’s surrender. Ukraine would like Russia to surrender. Or at least to stop trying to take over its neighbors.

  2. In the real world, the best Putin can hope for is his own life and that of his family (assuming he gives a shit about them) and a quiet retirement somewhere secure. Isolated in a comfy estate turned into a prison. With visitors carefully searched coming and going and required to wear some type of video and sound monitor – with any interruption of video and sound or any activity that seems suspicious resulting in time in solitary for Putin and time in prison for the visitor(s). International monitors would be part of the team keeping tabs on everything every day and night.

    I for one don’t see Putin accepting that. He’s all-in as they say and the only way I see this ending is with him overthrown in a military coup and tossed in prison or him dead.

    Jaw, jaw jaw is better than war, war war but only if Russia backs off a good deal, followed by a true cease fire. Ukraine is being destroyed and it will take a lot of rebuilding. The thing is, so will the Russian economy IF it’s citizens who are backing Putin because all they get is propaganda receive and accept the truth about what has gone on. But hell yes, Russia should have to pay a big chunk of the cost of rebuilding Ukraine. THEIR cities aren’t being reduced to rubble.

    I still think it’s going to take a mini-Marshall Plan, only this time (unlike after WWII when Russia stole land and treasure as payback for the forty million lives they lost and their own destroyed cities) the Russian people need to know the west WOULD have helped them back then and the depravations their country endured during the Cold War never needed to happen. IF we and the world pitch in to rebuild Ukraine AND provide more effort than we did after the end of the Cold War to help Russia build a free country what we are seeing can be avoided in the future. The fly in that ointment would be China who doesn’t want a free and prosperous Russia next door any more than Putin wants a free Ukraine or any other country on the border with Russia.

  3. Thinking of this the wrong way, Murf…the negotiating table is as much a part of this battlefield as Kyiv. Zelinskyy KNOWS Vlad can’t be trusted on anything, as every humanitarian corridor that’s been agreed upon has been attacked. But that is beside the point. The fact that the Russians are even AT this table is triumph enough. Plus, seeing as the lead Russian negotiator is a glorified propaganda tool, that also tells the Ukrainians how serious they are. Finally, who knows how much intel all Ukraine-friendly parties can pick up from this charade? So take none of this at face value.

  4. putie is “negotiating” something that will allow him to withdraw from this fiasco without losing too much face.

    Too late putie; you now look as foolish as your puppet diaper donny. What a colossal ass.

  5. I was finished with that little prick when he shot down that unarmed passenger jet and nobody did jack shit about it.
    When are they going to make fat ass pay for trying to overthrow our government?

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