It’s a well known axiom that those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Steve Schmidt has a very interesting forecast for where the Republican party is headed in just a few days.

Ulysses S. Grant said, “there are but two parties now, traitors and patriots.” It does seem like we have cycled back to exactly the same posture. What’s new is old and what’s old is new.

 

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Tina Watson
Guest

hope it does go down. But I have fear thar there will be violence involved.

Tina Watson
Guest

There, up there

Bareshark
Guest

Not much can stop it from going that way, no. That said, I expect said violence to remain sporadic, uncoordinated and completely ineffectual. Less Oklahoma City and more Nashville, if you take my meaning.

Chris jensen
Guest

I can’t wait for the fireworks. Let them shoot each other until there is no answer, especially b/c Pence will be “tried and executed” for not sucking up to the last of the loons. And as we all know, this is just a dog and pony show for the screwballs to line tRump’s coffers. let them have at each other. The worst case scenario is that Pelosi becomes president. their worst nightmare will have come true.

Carroll Ann Robinson
Member
This tying current times to history by Schmidt is nothing less than brilliant and illuminating. In all the noise and craziness of late it almost seems that the RVAT faction, the Lincoln Project folks, the Bulwark writers including Tim Miller and so many others aren’t being considered all that much. However, they are still there, and their voices still matter. Added to them? Romney, Murkowski, Sasse, Collins, and probably Thune from the Senate; plus Republican governors from a few states, including MD and my governor, Larry Hogan. Lincoln may have said it: ” A house divided against itself cannot stand,”… Read more »
Bareshark
Guest

There’s only one thing missing from the history lesson: how this is the logical outgrowth of twenty years of Republican unforced errors.

Carroll Ann Robinson
Member
That is actually a history lesson for another time–but for now, thinking we’re more than 20 years in on this Bareshark. This started in earnest with Reagan–too many components to get into here, but one for now: the turning out of folks with emotional and mental disturbances and illnesses from hospitals and other care facilities to dump many of them on the streets and thus to aid in our homeless population. And the worst of this? Many of these were returned Vietnam vets with PTSD, among them my cousin for a start. I cite this because it is an earlier… Read more »
Bareshark
Guest

Yes, the roots go back to Reagan. But from 9/11 on, the collapse has been an ongoing process of active rot in progress. All of it was so avoidable but too many GOP myths had to be nursed and nurtured. And thus we went from the “permanent Republican majority” fever dreams of Karl Rove to the pumped and dumped shell of a political party we’re watching now.

David
Guest

Unfortunately everything Steve said is true. The ones leading will twist and gaslight and all trumpsters will fall in place. Their ignorance cannot be defeated. We’re in more trouble than can be imagined .

Bareshark
Guest

No, they are. When the enemy is this obvious, it makes life so much easier.

Bareshark
Guest

There’s little I can add to the thread other than a) he’s right about them falling apart, b) I do hope he realizes that this development predates Trump by at least a decade and a half and c) I look for the money guys to be the ones who will truly smash up the GOP in retaliation for Trump stealing donation money from them.

Joseph
Guest
I do appreciate Schmidt’s theorizing and his optimism, but, let’s not forget that for all the “Lincoln Project” material presented this past year, it didn’t seem to make any more real impact with Republican *voters* this last election than all the “Never-Trumpers” did in 2016. (Anyone have numbers for the one or two GOP candidates who DID manage to get on a state primary ballot in 2020? Or how many GOP primary results gave Donald Trump less than 95% of the vote?) The big problem is that the GOP found itself in pretty much the same situation 10 years ago… Read more »
Scott Jackson
Guest

A cult member is like a full glass of water. Nothing can be added. Especially the feedback that they are standing for the wrong god. The wrong messiah. The wrong belief system.

suzc
Guest

A lot of Republicans split their vote, to dump Trump without giving Biden Congress. The RVAT group suggested it. The LP was focused on dumping Trump. They say they are now going after the Cruzes and Cottons of the world. Keep watch.

Miranda
Member

They were such a good party back with I was young and my father was a member. I wonder just what happened to it that changed it so badly.

Miranda
Member

Why are you sending my comment to moderation again? What did I say that is so very wrong? This is totally unfair. It has gotten so bad now that it makes me cry whenever I see that phrase tacked onto my comments.

dana fairfield
Member

“She” doesn’t send your comments to moderation. The algorithm does. Then she has to manually permit them. The algorithm seems to ping on numbers and negative terms. It would be nice to have a list of the algorithmic triggers.

Concinnity
Guest

Miranda, we’ve ALL had comments moderated, but don’t worry, real comments get ‘unmoderated’ and shown fairly quickly. It appears that it’s either that or mindless spam and trolling. I prefer it this way.

Miranda
Member

I didn’t say anything wrong. I was complimenting the GOP for what they were long ago.

michaelscott
Member

Would this be the same Steve Schmidt who predicted that Sarah Palin would be a good candidate for VP?

dana fairfield
Member

Yes, and so what? He says Palin was a big mistake. Also people are not static. Or do you not allow people to regret, repent and change? He recently registered as a Democrat. https://thehill.com/homenews/news/530393-longtime-gop-strategist-steve-schmidt-announces-hes-registering-democrat

Mark Williams
Guest

I was a NYS resident and registered Republican when Trump ran four years ago. I saw him as the deathknell of the party. He drove me out and now he will kill the party. And to think they used to talk about the big tent in the R party. Now, like a big circus tent, it has caught fire and is collapsing onto those who didn’t flee. Farewell and good riddance!

dickdickney
Guest

He thinks he’s not the autocratic side???? The exfat fuck, baby who’d rather burn it down.

He’s a big part of why trump was elected.