The national dialogue right now is so bizarre as to be out of a mind bending movie script, like The Matrix, as opposed to the traditionally calm post-election updates, which occur every four years during the interregnum, as one political star rises and another one sets. Donald Trump will not accept the results of the 2020 election. He is hell bent on overturning the election. That much is evident from the fact that he attempted to persuade two canvassers in Wayne County to rescind their votes certifying the election a few days ago and this afternoon he’s set to meet with state Republican officials from Michigan. For what? We can only infer that he wants to persuade them to ignore the popular vote results and install electors of their own in Michigan, who will vote for Trump.

Since all of Trump’s dialogue, not to mention his creature cantina legal team’s dialogue, has been about overturning the results of a free and fair election, this meeting with Michigan officials is the point of no return. It may seriously be time to impeach him — again — lame duck status and all, to stop this blatant erosion of norms. It’s a long time until January 20 and Trump is doing no small amount of damage. Esquire:

Now that Donald Trump, the President of the United States, is personally “reaching out” to members of a Michigan election board as part of a larger plot to simply throw out the results of an election he lost by a comfortable margin, maybe we can stop pretending this is just a public tantrum we can allow to burn out until he falls into a fevered nap. That his allies believe the president must be approached like a spoiled toddler is itself an indication of our national decline, and an indictment of all the lackeys who’ve worked so hard to make this state of affairs possible. But his campaign is also in court asking a judge to simply nix the election in Pennsylvania and give him the Electoral Votes. This is not just another meltdown to be managed, as we all try to dodge the toys he’s throwing out of the crib. He should be removed from office for crimes against the American republic.

I have said in private for some time that I believe Trump, if he is to actually leave office, may have to be impeached in the lame duck period. It’s often been met with eye-rolls, but there are a number of reasons to believe he simply will not leave willingly, even if it’s useful and necessary to call on him to resign. The first is that he may well face criminal jeopardy in multiple jurisdictions once he loses the immunity protections of the presidency. This guy has been crooked for a long time, and while a staggering number of the people around him have faced prison time, he has yet to see any real consequences. He does not intend to. He also owes a lot of people a lot of money, and it’s not clear he could make good even if he wanted to. (He does not.) Beyond the practical, there is the specter of his towering ego and his crippling fear of humiliation. His impulsive and shameless behavior, often bordering on nihilism, is driven in no small part by a primal urge to avoid paying the piper. It’s worked for him his whole life. This guy never pays his bills—to contractors or to the bank—and nothing ever comes of it. Why should that stop him now? […]

… even Trump’s more reluctant allies in the Republican Party are interested in using the lame duck to turn Biden’s entire presidency into the same. Trump’s destructive impulse has been highly useful in that regard: on the foreign-policy front, he is reportedly in the process of setting “so many fires that it will be hard for the Biden administration to put them all out.” He is also hard at work ransacking the federal bureaucracy to prevent Biden doing much of anything at all. Meanwhile, he’s not doing the actual job in any sense. His regime is doing nothing about the pandemic even as it explodes in severity. There will be no relief bill for businesses or local governments.

The man is doing nothing. If you check his public calendar since the election, he has nothing on it but lunches with Mike Pence and a few other top cronies and on the weekends he plays golf. All he’s accomplishing by staying in office is to sabotage Joe Biden and that is by design. Every obstacle that can be thrown in Biden’s way is being thrown. The GSA head who won’t turn over the office keys is just the tip of the iceberg.

And what about this Michigan meeting? Politico:

The scheduled meeting threatens two kinds of danger. At the largest level, it threatens the system of democratic presidential elections: If state officials start claiming the right to overturn elections because of vague claims about “fraud,” our democratic system will be unworkable. But in a more specific and immediate way, it threatens the two Michigan legislators, personally, with the risk of criminal investigation.

The danger to democratic elections is well understood. The Constitution authorizes state legislatures to decide how states choose presidential electors. For more than a century, every state legislature has chosen to do so by popular election. According to one school of thought, though, a state legislature could choose to set aside a popular vote if it doesn’t like the result and choose different electors instead. This is a pretty undemocratic idea, as well as one that misreads the history of election law: the National Review recently described it as “completely insane.”  (State legislatures have the power to change the system for choosing electors in future elections, but not to reject an already conducted election just because they don’t like the result.) Nonetheless, the president is pushing for it. By so far refusing to go along with Trump, Republican state legislators have been standing up for the idea that fair, democratic elections are more important than any individual president. If Shirkey and Chatfield are reconsidering that view, they are playing with the possibility of throwing out the results of a free and fair election. That’s not something that the system comes back from easily. [emphasis mine]

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22 Comments on "It’s Time To Have Trump Impeached and Removed. This Meeting With Michigan Officials Is the Bridge Too Far"

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Kim Kensler-Prager
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Long time lurker, first time commenter. You have articulated what I have been thinking all week. The only way we can stop Trump is to yell loud and clear. Impeachment ! I will be call Pelosi this afternoon and my rep on Monday.

Cherl Harrell
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This is pretty much in line with a post I read on Daily Kos. It talked about a tweet by Edward Norton, the actor. His dad was a federal prosecutor and he believes DJT is fully aware of the dangers facing him when he leaves office. His opinion is that tRump is trying to work up some leverage, so he can negotiate his departure. Something like an immunity deal. Hopefully, no on will cut him any slack. He certainly seems to not have any leverage.

Nancy North
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I read Norton’s comments also. His last words were: Call. His. Bluff.

Bareshark
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Which it will be. Trump has no leverage left.

anastasjoy
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That doesn’t make sense. These guys from Michigan can’t promise to get Tish James or Cy Vance off his back. And I don’t really see what Trump can offer them.

Gettin' too old for this
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Gettin' too old for this

If there wasn’t enough support for impeachment last time, would there be this time?

p j evans
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There was enough support for impeachment – it was the conviction that failed. Because Mitch wouldn’t allow evidence or witnesses, and the GOP-T senators were too craven to vote honestly (and I’m including Romney).

daisy
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Oh, he was impeached okay (HR function)! He just wasn’t removed by the Senate..

dana fairfield
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Several senators even felt compelled to issue statements to the effect that they knew he was guilty, but…

Senovio Rodriguez
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Impeach him again listing all his… abuses of power. Make a list. And resolution for further oversight and investigation. And impeach Pence and cabinet for their abuses, and for one of the biggest… just not following their oath of office. Just freaking say it. The president was a clear and present danger to USA. eg Pandemic preparedness and response, inaction and action taken. That includes public health messaging, PPE national defense act (whatever that is really called… “we are the us govt … time to do some crap… because we say so”), PPP, census, mail…. and on and on. Put… Read more »
Scott Jackson
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Didn’t someone once say between the devil & the deep blue sea? Maybe it’s best to work quietly behind the scenes to build an ugly criminal case or two & don’t water the plant. Let him wither on the vine. When the real sh*t hits the fan, his fuel tank will be on empty. Remember his followers don’t like people who were war heros, who were captured, they like rich draft dodging grifters. They like ‘winners’. Oops, gonna lose some true believers when “a hard rain’s gonna fall.”

Bareshark
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To what end, you say? I would think that obvious at this…until he’s extracted all the money he’s going to get from this sham recount fight. It continues to amaze me how lost that motive gets in all the fascism hysteria that everyone keeps spouting. When you’ve got Republican senators telling this guy to shut the eff up already for 48 hours straight as we have had, then it’s proof positive that the game is up. Don’t believe me? Two items to consider: 1) did Trump held a press conference today? Don’t feel bad if not…only Fox News covered it.… Read more »
Denis Elliott
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I kind of honed in on the part of the Esquire article you included – the part about the Electoral College. Once again I feel really bad for Irony which once again is getting slapped silly. Right in front of a running wood chipper. As originally envisioned the EC’s stated purpose was to put a layer of what I guess the founders thought of as independent thinking, high-minded gentlemen of good character who could be counted on to do the right thing should someone EXACTLY like Trump grab hold of the popular passions and sucker enough votes to become President.… Read more »
Joseph
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Um, just to remind people, but Trump will NOT be impeached AND removed from office. To get him evicted from the White House would require a TWO-THIRDS majority vote in the Senate. Pelosi and crew can send over as many articles of impeachment as they want but, as long as McConnell’s in charge in the Senate, we won’t see any different result than we did from the FIRST impeachment. (You all DO remember that, right?) Even worse is that ANY talk of impeachment imperils the odds that the Dems will win those two important Georgia seats. Just as Trump and… Read more »
Senovio Rodriguez
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Again, can’t sometimes just wait or fear what the other side will do. Oops Hilary had pneumonia and was going to die!!! … on and on. Sometimes have to the right thing. Impeach. That is the House’s right and duty. Let Senate not do its duty. And the R’s have, still are, and will always paint liberals, progressives, Dems and others as evil, socialists, evil again… and on and on. Old time Dems like some fire breathers to sometimes to tell the numbnuts “Nuts”, “Get bent”, “Go to hell? Right back at ya!”, “Eff you you flaming hypocrites” and …… Read more »
Kay
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If Obama had pulled a similar shenanigan, they would have tarred and feathered him and then hung him from the highest tree. This fate should befall the spineless lying senate republicans who stood silently by with their thumbs up their keisters.

michaelscott
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If ever there was a better reason to abolish the Electoral College, I can’t think of one. Sadly, the likelihood of that is as good as impeachment. Either would require the Democrats to have a spine.

Fred
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As we now know, the meeting with MI folks did not go well, and he has been rejected by the GA governor, who will sign the certification for Biden. Impeachment at this late date? Not gonna happen, not with Mitch the Moscow toad in charge. So why bother. Now if only Joe will give his AG a free hand to prosecute Trump, and maybe even McConnell for his own “high crimes and misdemeanors,” we can see some forward movement in the country. Kamala Harris is on record that she would prosecute, if she were pres. I hope Biden will let… Read more »
dana fairfield
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Supposedly, the entire reason the GOP Senate did not convict the first time was because “let’s leave it up to the voters.” The voters spoke and still the GOP Senators are silent while surveys show that 60-80% of Republicans support Trump’s coup attempt. They really do want a one-party dictatorship to take over America, as long as it’s their party. Otherwise, they be in front of the line to defend the Constitution.