The 2020 presidential election will decide either the life or death of America. — John Gartner

I have a list of things I fear — death by fire, a decline into dementia, Pop-Tarts — but I have never feared Donald Trump or his goose-stepping minions. I loathe and despise them, and I fear for the people whom their policies actively hurt (most all of us, really), but I don’t fear them. Neither should you.

However, I do feel a deep apprehension for what Trump might do if and when he loses re-election in November. We all think, hope, pray and anticipate him getting his ass dragged around the block by Biden in November, but there’s a question: what will Trump do in the event he loses?

Psychologist and psychotherapist John Gartner, a specialist in borderline personality disorders, has those same worries. And he feels Trump will go out swinging.

Trump’s bagman Michael Cohen said in Congressional testimony in February 2019:

Given my experience working for Mr. Trump, I fear that if he loses the election in 2020, there will never be a peaceful transition of power.

I’m not worried about him not leaving the White House, as some do. It doesn’t matter if he acknowledges the loss or not.

If he loses in November, his presidency ends at noon on Wednesday, January 20, 2021, no matter what he and his idiot brownshirts say or do. I like to think that, given Trump’s penchant for belligerent, bullying behavior towards his “inferiors,” there will be plenty of Secret Service agents who are waiting for 12:01 pm on January 20 to put him on the ground and arrest him for trespassing. (Or just beat his flabby ass and throw him out of the front door. I’m good either way.)

Former US Attorney Barbara McQuade agrees, writing for The Atlantic: “[T]he newly minted president would possess … presidential powers. If necessary, [Biden] could direct federal agents to forcibly remove Trump from the White House. Now a private citizen, Trump would no longer be immune from criminal prosecution, and could be arrested and charged with trespassing in the White House. While even former presidents enjoy Secret Service protection, agents presumably would not follow an illegal order to protect one from removal from office.” She doesn’t say anything about the Secret Service beating the brakes off him in the East Room, but I think privately she might get a chuckle out of the idea.

Nor can he just cancel the election. If he does something insane to disrupt the election to the point where it cannot be held, then on 12:01 pm of January 20, 2021, Nancy Pelosi becomes president. Boy, would he hate that…

What Gartner fears is the motivation for vengeance an infuriated Trump would feel in the days and weeks after the November election, should he lose it. You can forget about W’s being pried off keyboards. Trump is psychologically capable of far worse than that.

Since Trump has taken office, he has performed not one action that was taken on behalf of the American people. Not one. He started by lying about the size of the crowd during his inauguration and attacking the media over its inauguration coverage, and in the last several days has recommended that Americans inject themselves with disinfectants to battle the COVID-19 virus, and said he won’t provide federal aid to states who have “sanctuary cities” for immigrants. We don’t even need to go through the list of his criminal and malicious actions in the federal response to the virus alone. We’d be here all day.

Gartner asks a powerful question:

[T]o merely document the Trump regime’s deadly failures in response to the coronavirus pandemic is to ignore the most important question: What were Trump and his advisers’ underlying motivations?

Gartner isn’t the only one asking this question. He cites one of my favorite media critics, Eric Boehlert, who recently asked:

Maybe Trump’s vengeful. Maybe he wants to wreck the economy to create investment opportunities? He’s under the thumb of a foreign entity? He wants to cause panic and cancel the November elections? He’s a fatalist? Who knows. And honestly, the specific “why” isn’t what matters now. What matters is asking the difficult questions and pondering what the Trump presidency is truly about, no matter what lurks in the shadows. … Now the press needs to shift some of its focus and ask the truly alarming questions about Trump and his motives. Because we still don’t know why he essentially ordered the federal government to stand down for the virus invasion.

Gartner’s answer is nothing new. He says Trump is a malignant narcissist. Google the term and you’ll find hundreds of articles, stories and blog posts speculating and asserting the same thing. But Gartner takes it further. What will a malignant narcissist like Trump do when he has the thing ne wants more than anything else — in his case, the presidency — taken away from him?

Gartner’s answer is simple: Revenge.

Trump is a stunted, malevolent, deeply cruel creature. Sadism and violence are at the heart of his being. The author of the Salon article this post is based on, Chauncey DeVega, writes that in Gartner’s view, “Trump is an abuser locked into a deeply dysfunctional relationship with the American people and that, like other sadists, Trump enjoys causing harm and suffering.”

Of course this is true. And Trump was quick to begin using the levers of government, however ham-handedly, to begin rewarding his associates — he has no friends — and hurting his enemies. DeVega writes:

Ultimately, Gartner concludes that Donald Trump is engaging in “democidal behavior” and cautions that the tens of thousands of dead (so far) from the coronavirus pandemic are not simply collateral damage from Trump’s policies, but rather the logical outcome of Trump’s apparent mental pathologies and the poor decisions that flow from them.

The Trump administration’s response to the pandemic — one of the worst crises faced by an American president since the Civil War — is emblematic of Trump’s incompetence, his malevolence, and his deep cruelty. He isn’t just handling the response poorly or making one mistake after another. He is deliverately sabotaging the federal and the state governments’ abilities to respond to the crisis.

Add to this toxic mix the fact (according to Gartner) that Trump is a sexual sadist. This is scary enough when we’re watching psychopathic killers on shows like Criminal Minds or Mindhunter, but to have a sexual sadist in the Oval Office is a wholly different order of threat. Trump gets gratification — sexual gratification — from hurting people. And as president during a time of pandemic, he can hurt a lot of people. He’s doing so deliberately, because it makes him feel powerful, and, frankly, because he gets pleasure from it. Gartner says:

Professor of psychiatry and psychoanalyst Otto Kernberg called that phenomenon “omnipotent destructiveness.” The bullying, the violence, the destruction, frightening people, humiliating people, getting revenge and the like — such behavior is what Donald Trump has done his whole life. It is who Donald Trump really is. Unfortunately, too many people are still in denial of that fact.

Gartner takes it further:

We are being abused by him. We know that Trump is lying. We know that he’s doing nothing to help us. We feel helpless to do anything to stop him. It is causing collective mental despair. In this way Donald Trump is inducing feelings of rage and outrage — and he keeps doing it. It is not that all Americans are suckers or dupes, it is that Trump is a master at such cruel and manipulative behavior. Donald Trump knows exactly what he is doing to the physical and emotional health of the American people.

Gartner then takes it further than even I had speculated. Trump, he writes, is a “democidal maniac.” Democide, as the link above shows, is “murder by government.” Trump will use his power as the American president to kill thousands — many thousands — of Americans. He is already doing it, having helped kill 63,861 Americans from COVID-19 as I write this. The numbers will be higher by the time you read this.

There is no mystery behind Trump’s affection for dictators and democidal maniacs like Kim Jong-Un, Vladimir Putin, Rodrigo Duterte, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and others, and his reciprocal hatred of democratic leaders like Angela Merkel and Justin Trudeau. Gartner notes: “If you look at human history there is one trait that all malignant narcissistic leaders have in common: They kill mass numbers of their own people. Why would Donald Trump be any different?”

Trump intends to go down in history alongside “leaders” such as Pol Pot, Josef Stalin, and Adolf Hitler. This is not exaggeration. Gartner observes: “Malignant narcissists like Donald Trump view other human beings as kindling wood to be burned for their own personal enrichment and enlargement and expansion.”

Gartner says that the specific actions Trump will take as his presidency winds to a close are not predictable, but they can be analogized to the actions taken by a domestic abuser. What does a man who has spent years raping, beating and abusing his wife do when she finally takes the initiative and begins to leave him?

She has her keys in hand and is opening the door of the house or apartment to finally leave. What happens? The democidal maniac Donald Trump will attack us, badly. Make no mistake. Donald Trump is going to find a way to attack and cause great harm to the American people if he believes that he will lose the 2020 election.

We need to be ready for anything.

Update: A Daily Kos article appeared today, titled Donald Trump’s Sadism Isn’t Sexual — It’s Far Worse. The author cites Gartner’s work, and says, “While it’s obvious Trump has a sadistic streak, it’s important to understand that it is not sexual.” I think the diarist is wrong, because he doesn’t accept the sexual aspect of Trump’s need to dominate. Any survivor of rape by a sexual sadist will agree that the rapist’s need to dominate is as important as their need to inflict pain. The DK author gets this right, more or less:

The one thing that seems to link all of Trump’s efforts is that they are aimed at gaining him primacy.  In every transaction he must come out ahead, which can best be proven by hurting the other parties.  A sexual sadist relieves his sexual tension and the urge passes for awhile; if he wants to live among other civilized people he finds a way to direct his urges in relatively harmless directions with consensual partners or fantasies.  But Trump’s need for primacy can’t be sated.

However, he doesn’t seem to understand that the need for primacy is inextricably intertwined with his need for sexual release. The one feeds the other. Young Trump fed his insatiable need for dominance not only in the boardroom, but in innumerable consensual and non-consensual sexual encounters with any woman he found desirable, whether it be 14-year old models or the trophy wives of his business rivals. Now, being president gives him a whole raft of new opportunities to assert dominance and inflict pain. He may not get direct sexual satisfaction as the death toll rises, but, as the author of the DK article and I agree, he enjoys it, and he wants to do more of it.

Short version: he is a sexual sadist, but he is more complex — if we can use that word with Donald Trump — than a “mere” oafish sexual predator who attacks women in his orbit when he isn’t drinking beer, eating pork rinds, and watching wrestling.

I agree with what the author of the DK article wrote:

With the coronavirus he will have the best death toll ever, and while he will blame everyone but himself he will take a secret rush of pleasure (which he probably won’t hide very well, because unlike a typical sociopath he has no ability and little inclination to hide his real feelings) that he showed all those people who was really in charge.

and maintain that if and when he loses re-election, and thusly is poised to lose his access to the tools he can use to inflict vast pain and suffering on huge numbers of people, he will do something to vent his rage and sate his dark-hearted needs in one last orgy of cruelty. Whether he can pull it off is another story. But minimizing his need to hurt — well, everyone, really — is foolish. He will try something calamitous, on a grand scale. As Rachel says, watch this space.

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169 Comments on "Will Trump Attack the US In Revenge for Not Re-Electing Him? A Psychologist Says Yes, in Catastrophic Form"

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Lil Blue Sock
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I touched on this in response to Miss Ursula’s article from yesterday. TRump-O the Assclown has always been dangerous, but just as a cornered rat becomes ferocious Trump-O,after being humiliated before the nation, will be exceptionally dangerous Nov. 4th through Jan. 20th.

When he knew the game was over, Hitler ordered a scorched earth policy to punish the German people for not being worthy of him….luckily the generals disobeyed and ignored his edict.

Who will save us from THIS madman???

Bareshark
Guest

Look for the same kind of disobedience from people who can’t flee the country.

anastasjoy
Member

I think he’ll become whiny, not dangerous. He doesn’t have the competence to be dangerous — remember most of what’s going on now is due to inaction, not action. How much wall has he actually built?

JOLYNN
Member

he’s very dangerous now. He just needs to encourage his Brown Shirts and others like them to kill, maim, burn things down, and the morons will!

Bareshark
Guest

Remember Charlottesville before assuming that this will get too bad.

V Berg
Guest

He has access to the nuclear codes.

Southpaw
Guest

This has been my fear since the day 60 million idiots put him in charge.

chula
Guest

He’ll incite others to be violent…he’s not gonna take part in the dirty work himself.

elka
Guest

We won’t find out how much of the United States of America has been hollowed out, sold off, or spirited out the back door for quite a while after a new administration takes over. I am convinced that every day for at least a year we will be hearing headline stories about yet another Trump debacle.

Lisa Cook
Guest

Well, that’s an oddly comforting statement.

JRNO
Guest

TDS is real.

Michael
Guest

Gee JRNO… how clever. SMH

Bareshark
Guest
Whatever thirst Trump has for revenge in the event of a loss, he’s got two constraining factors that may complicate his desires. First is his mental competence. He’s plainly coming apart mentally in a way that will not improve in the coming months. That’s what made injecting Lysol and swallowing sunshine sound like such brilliant ideas last week. Does anyone truly think that this addled thinking won’t factor in to any doomsday plots he hatches? Second is willing subordinates who would carry out the deed. As you noted, Max, he has no friends. Ergo, there’s damn near nobody who’ll take… Read more »
Concinnity
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He, like all bullies is really a coward. And he’s lazy. He’ll try to order his minions to do evil, but by then even they will have seen the writing on the wall, the trouble is, some of them can’t read. It’s the dumbest of his followers that will be the biggest danger.

Bareshark
Guest

Such willing dupes will likely do more harm to themselves than others.

Concinnity
Guest

I sure hope so.

Meg Corrigan
Member

I agree, Coccinity. I pray that, when tRump really goes off the rails (as if he hasn’t so far…), many of those surrounding him will run for the exits–maybe even Secret Service–rather than obey an illegal order. But some of his MAGAt people may take up arms and try to do something stupid. People will be hurt or even killed between November 3rd and January 20th, but it won’t be from Covid 19.

JOLYNN
Member

yes, yes, yes

Bareshark
Guest

But such MAGA maggots as you described WILL be waylaid by COVID 19 in the attempt. Just you wait…

Leo Walter
Guest

Though somewhat off topic, one reason I don’t think many of the comparisons of Trump to Hitler aren’t valid is the fact that Hitler was not anywhere near the coward that Trump actually is.

Bareshark
Guest

Agreed, Leo…Hitler actually saw combat, for one. On the other hand, when the Beer Hall Putsch failed, he tried fleeing the authorities that put him in jail. So let’s not give one of the most loathsome human beings to walk this earth TOO much credit.

David K. Kelley
Guest

I am confused, Leo. You say “I don’t think many of the comparisons of Trump to Hitler aren’t valid” and then you give the reason for your belief. The quote contains two negatives. Does it mean, “I do think many of the comparisons of Trump to Hitler are valid”? I don’t think that that is what you mean because your reason for believing it is a reason to doubt the validity of the comparison of Trump to Hitler. Would you clarify this? Thank you, Leo.

Leo Walter
Guest

It was supposed to say “are valid”. Hitler at least fought in a war, Trump would run away from an angry school teacher if the person got in his face.

David K. Kelley
Guest

Thanks, Leo. That makes sense.

Connie Wilson
Guest

He also had the stones to kill himself when all was lost.

Deborah List
Guest

HITLER was also not stupid. Evil, yes, but not stupid. Drumpf (in spite of what his CULT believes, is a stupid, stupid, little man.

M. Graham
Guest

Agree with all pointing out Herr Drumph’s weakness and other “saving” flaws. However, someone like S.Miller is another narcissistic bully and much more daring. Hope Security frisks him as he leaves. In fact, fingers-crossed they’ve been watching him since Jan 2016.

Delores Harris
Guest

Trump has the power to grant pardons/clemency to any or all Federal prisoners. It’s a given he will pardon Flynn & Manafort so whats to stop him from pulling a Matt Bevin?

anastasjoy
Member

Agree 100%. It will be more noise than action. But LOTS of noise.

Seán O'Brien
Guest

He still has a few acolytes. Kushner, Miller, and Barr for example. Jared Failed-At-Everything-He’s-Tried is mostly dangerous through incompetence, but Miller and Barr are capable of doing bad things. And more than willing.
I agree with you about the condition of The Donald’s alleged brain (damn good point actually), and, by and large, about his followers. I just think there’re a few dangerous ones left.

Bareshark
Guest

I don’t disagree, Sean, but remember what I said about tempering their actions against the knowledge of eventual prosecution. Barr is so deep in the tank for Trump, he may HAVE to flee the country if he doesn’t get that pardon he’s hoping for. Miller may be harder to nail down but his control begins and ends with Trump. It’s entirely possible he’ll get turned upon like so many other Trump sycophants. And who knows how many people both have pissed off that they’ve not gotten rid of and need to carry out critical schemes.

Seán O'Brien
Guest

Good points. Have to admit the idea of Barr fleeing is kind of amusing. Wonder where he’d go? Damn sure Ireland won’t take him. Doubt Germany. Argentina? (think Yellow Submarine)

Concinnity
Guest

Russia?

Seán O'Brien
Guest

That seems likely. I would totally guess Russia for Logjam Mitch and Grifter Girl.

Bareshark
Guest

Depending on how Russia comes out of the twin shocks of COVID 19 and collapsed oil prices of their own making, that destination may be optimistic.

Baby Moon
Guest

And don’t forget the POS at the State department

elka
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But he does have plenty of followers! So far he’s managed to turn many formerly intelligent friends and neighbors into blithering idiots. I live in the middle of Trump country. About a mile from the WV border in very rural, ruby red VA. Several truckloads of a few ex-friends and a dozen aquaintances made a day of going down to Richmond a few weeks ago to protest with their personal arsenals. From what I know of these people, Trump would not have too hard of a time convincing them it would be a good idea to do any number of… Read more »
Baby Moon
Guest

I’m in a deep red area of the midwest. Completely plausible, unfortunately. We already have legion of whitepeople mask refusers bc they believe they are immune.

nan
Guest

When you see what he doing already by siding with the white Nazis in Michigan he will start fires everywhere just like this and we might have to constantly watch our backs if you are a person of color and come election time it would be safer to vote by mail because of this

Bareshark
Guest

On the plus side, this crowd’s chances of catching COVID 19 are only second to frontline workers with a lot more to lose. Hard to be macho and wave that gun when a bad case of Not-Flu has you knocked down hard.

elka
Guest

Yes, Some of the more fervent Trumplings in my neck of the woods are planning to do the thing where someone hangs at a polling place “contesting” the votes of people they don’t like the looks of and claim they think it’s not a legitimate ballot. Is this really a thing?

Baby Moon
Guest

Unfortunately, yes

anastasjoy
Member
I think we spend too much time worrying about stuff like this. I already see friends paralyzed with fear, almost ready to give up and accept our fate. He’s ALREADY engaged in the worst attack on Americans and on the economy right now, with his ineptitude, disinterest and inaction in the face a of a pandemic. When it comes to being proactive though, Trump’s ineptitude has meant mostly failure. Personally I think if he loses, he’ll just storm off to Mar-A-Lago where he will spend his days tweet-sulking, yelling about it being “rigged” and exceeding his already outrageous number of… Read more »
Meg Corrigan
Member

Anastasjoy, your.scenario would be the best case. I hope you are right!

Elizabeth
Guest

Yeah, let’s hope so. Also watch the Mar-a-Loco membership go back down b/c so many will not want to pay such silly fees b/c they can no longer suck up to a current President.
Real Palm Beach money knows how tacky he is – and he has no real friends, just sycophantic followers and his wack-job family.
He will have an ugly and lonely Elba there. Wonder if he has ever actually walked down to the beach nearby……….

Mary Huber
Guest

I think he’ll spend his days in the slammer. New York will go after him the minute he’s no longer in the White House. He cannot be pardoned for state crimes.

Nita
Guest

Hope you’re right! He deserves it.

Leifsgaard
Guest

That’s what I’ve been thinking. Southern District of New York is laying in wait. Also if/when Cheeto goes, then Barr goes; opening up a new Dept of justice. Special council report stated once a sitting president is no longer in office, he shall not have immunity to indictment.

Sandra Cook
Guest

If southern district goes after him the gun toting white supremacists will emerge from the ground like insects. I think the thinking might be it’s not worth it to prosecute him.

Concinnity
Guest

He’d love to spend his life outside prison, but Mary Huber is right. He has committed too many crimes, done too much damage to the republic and society, and been responsible for too many deaths directly attributable to his actions/inactions for him not to be brought to account.
His crimes of commission AND omission will result in a long term in prison, the only extra term he has earned.

Mary Huber
Guest

I have a bottle of champagne in the ‘frig just waiting for the happy day he is arrested!

Concinnity
Guest

Just the one?

l’ll need a case.

Mary Huber
Guest

You made me laugh out loud, Concinnity!

Concinnity
Guest

“The only way to get through life is to laugh your way through it. You either have to laugh or cry. I prefer to laugh. Crying gives me a headache.”
― Marjorie Pay Hinckley

Lauren Nixon
Guest

Me too! Bottle of Dom in the fridge just waiting for that day. I’m just hoping the foundation of this country doesn’t give way to his maniacal tactics. Given the history of this country, and who we are at our core, I think we can handle a bunch of thugs and criminals. That’s why we have a military. I suspect it’ll be rough and tumble for a bit, though.

Mary Huber
Guest

Well said, Lauren!

Sandra Cook
Guest

Maybe I’m wrong but trumpsters have the guns and all the corporate greasy palms have all the money. What could possibly go wrong?

Leo Walter
Guest

I recommend you look into the examples of George W. Bush and Richard Cheney. If the total number of deaths they were responsible would be responsible for the indictment and judgement, they would have never seen daylight again. Trump will get exactly as much prison time as they have.

Concinnity
Guest

No. Not this time.

Not if I and enough other people can have anything to do with it.

And we will.

Leo Walter
Guest

I can hope you are right, but I’ve been around a long time and have seen the Punishment results with other criminal’s similar crimes. If it was up to me the Nuremberg trials and hangings afterward would be the answer.

Concinnity
Guest

I’m aiming for that too.

RustysR
Guest

One reason to choose this scenario is that he knows (or certainly should) that he has committed crimes while in office. If he wants a pardon for his federal crimes, he’s going to have to resign so that Pence can pardon him. I’m not sure there’s anything he could do that would make Pence withhold a pardon, but unleashing nuclear war or demanding a Civil War by his supporters just MIGHT do it. Resignation wouldn’t stop him from a massive tweet fest, but could preclude some of the more dangerous behavior.

Rosie72
Guest

I strongly disagree. To not be re-elected by an entire Nation? In front of the World? Something like this has never happened to this man! Have you truly been paying attention the last 3 yrs? On a good day, he’s incredibly vicious when he feels demeened or mocked by a headline alone. He respects despots & tyrants, not the Best of Humanity. Wake up & smell the coffee, gurl!

michaelscott
Member

I’ve always said that I don’t care how he leaves the White House, handcuffs, straight jacket, or pine box. The worrying thing is, if he loses the election (not a given considering his likely opponent) he will still have presidential powers for 2+ months. How much damage can this fool accomplish in that time.

Sharksbreath
Guest

Trumps freedom is at stake. He could literally be arrested at 12:01.

Meg Corrigan
Member

Oh, Sharksbreath, that would be a happy ending!

Robert Burnett
Guest

All these type of stories do is feed right into his ego. He’s only a man, not a God. He is an idiot and knows his limit. So what he will do is say, I was done being President anyway because you can’t satisfy the people.

p j evans
Member

You HOPE. Himself *believes* he’s a deity. He’s been told for much of his life he’s brilliant; he believes he’s the smartest person in any room; the fundies have told him he’s been anointed by G-d.

irkling
Guest

You make a vast assumption when you say that he knows his limit. What true idiot does?

Terri Layman
Guest
He *doesn’t* know his limit though. He’s pushed and pushed and redefined the office a million ways from Sunday. He’s stacked the judicial decks, I’m fairly certain that if we even come *close* to a Bush V Gore situation this time, his stacking of the SCOTUS bench will get him that second term, and during that he’ll either push aggressively for repeal on the 22nd, or alternately start positioning Ivanka to be his “successor”. Meanwhile he’ll get to pick at least two more SCOTUS justices and scare those in his party that might have a tiny bit of spine to… Read more »
Markm Mitchell
Member

Handcuffed, and escorted from the White House.

p j evans
Member

Straitjacket, mask, zip-tied wrists and ankles.

irkling
Guest

And TV cameras, I hope. The ratings!

JOLYNN
Member

I believe that when he loses the election he will encourage his extremist right followers to start a civil war. They are all ready with their guns and can make their own small bombs. We need to be prepared for the worst. and unless he is in jail he will keep it up online and on Fox, etc. to kill others.

Bareshark
Guest

No disrespect but what the hell are you talking about? I’ve been prepared for the worst since he got here. Further, those glorified lynch mobs are painting bullseyes on their foreheads if they go there. As Charlottesville proved, the only meaningful accomplishment ahead of them is social ostracism with a side of prison.

Sandra Cook
Guest

Who’s going to or NOT going to enforce these white mobs? Cops? Mmmaybe not. Natn’l guard? Who knows.

Bareshark
Guest

Like I said, social ostracism does wonders. A lot of those folks after Charlottesville found out why the KKKlansmen wore masks in public the hard way. They found themselves disowned by family, thrown out of their jobs and their social media profile permanently compromised. And do remember that Mr. Vehicular Homicide is currently doing quarter to forever for aiming his car at fellow human beings.

And that was BEFORE COVID 19, when people were more willing to put up with that nonsense. What do you think is going to happen AFTER again?

Mark Gruben
Guest

Jolynn – Not to quibble, but while it’s true that many Trump supporters are heavily armed, what exactly can they do? Grab their guns, take to the streets, and………do what? Shoot out porch lights?

Tara Marshall
Guest

The numbers were already much higher when you wrote this, because Covid-19 is underrested. I highly suspect more than 100,000 Americans are already dead due to the virus.

And tRump and his supporters are happy to kill us for an additional reason: they see Covid-19 as something that primarily kills the weak: the elderky, the disabled, the immunocompromised. The people for whom the Social safety net was created. It’s Eugenics by any other name, and just as horrific this time around.

Bareshark
Guest

Pfft…those same Covidiots are in the same bracket and don’t realize it. Please do not confuse their fantasies with scientific facts like NO ONE IS IMMUNE.

Nita
Guest

You’re right. I have pointed the fact that those most susceptible are the targets. Saving medicare, health insuranc cos. tons of money.
Remember how angry he was when Pelosi and house put a halt to his sneaky attempts to cut ss, medicare, and allowing insurers to deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions?
Didn’t he say something like. “We can do this the easy way, or we can do it the hard way.”
Mayhaps this virus didn’t actually originate in China. Maybe it was planted.

Eric
Guest

Several unusual articles about the the possibility of him “accidentally” or deliberately TWEETING football stadium and/or ballpark emergency evacuation orders. Potentially resulting in mass panic and human stampedes. agsaf.org (Artificially Generated Stampede Awareness Foundation)

Bareshark
Guest

They’d have to be filled in the first place. Don’t see that happening anytime soon.

Meg Corrigan
Member
Excellent point, Bareshark. One death from Covid 19 is too many, but the absurd response from tRump’s Merry Band of Misfits (and the outrageous number of fatalities) has just upped the number of people who think he needs to GO. I’ve spoken to family members who thought he would save the country in 2016, and suddenly they see him for the maniac he really is. His Afternoon Crazyfests did nothing for his image, as even his suck-ups tried to tell him. (He has an extremely short memory, though, so it’s only a matter of time when his crazy will leak… Read more »
Bareshark
Guest
Exactly, Meg. With all due respect to Max, it’s why I am far less freaked out about the transition period. Nebulous speculation like this feels to me like it’s ignoring the pattern of the last three years. He’ll hit back, yes, but only if he thinks he can get away with it clean. And in his current mental state, he MIGHT. But on the other hand, this has too much of the same hysterical tinge that I heard in loony theories about W nullifying 2008’s election during THAT transition period. As I said before, he’ll need minions who have an… Read more »
Karen Kemp
Guest

This is the stupidest thing I have ever read

Bareshark
Guest

I’m sorry, who the eff are you again, Madame Troll?

Tim
Guest

Not the greatest crisis since the Civil War… that goes to the ‘Spanish flu’ that killed 675,000 Americans. We will, within a month be able to pass the US dead in WW1 by getting to 118,000 dead.

Bareshark
Guest

Even THAT feels optimistic.

Robert Taylor
Guest

The author wrote “one of the greatest crises…”. READ.

Pablo
Guest

Very insightful. Read the 20th Amendment of the US Constitution to understand the very clear process of transition of power. The terms for both President and Vice President end on Jan 20. However, House Speaker Pelosi might not be the next in line. Read carefully.

Mark Gruben
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For a long time, I wasn’t too concerned about the “what-if’s” regarding the election; until recently, I thought Trump would probably win……although I hoped he wouldn’t. Now, however, I think he’s going to lose, and he may lose rather badly. And frankly, if that happens, I’m very concerned about how Trump and his supporters may react. They’ll be looking for someone to blame for his defeat – and it won’t be just the Democrats! I suspect they’ll fixate on illegal immigrants as the source of untold millions of Biden votes, and, as a result we may see a massive increase… Read more »
Helen
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Well written!

Gene Wojciecchowski
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Yes.Look how he has ICE take a 2year old from his parents at the border and send him to Buffalo, with no record keeping so they would never find him. Pure sadism.

Lulabelle
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This will most probably be deleted, but, I am a Democrat, and I also do not like Trump but I can’t believe all the evil credit given to him!
I believe the article is unrealistic and sounds like it was written by a disenchanted author! You are really giving Trump more credit than he deserves!

Jane Moore
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What is frightening to me…Trump has knowledge of our deepest secrets which he can share with his buddy, Putin

P. Broome
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I agree with basically everything communicated here, including he’s intentionally culling America’s pop. of poor, sick, minorities, disabled and the poor*, but believe there’s potentially a huge component that’s going on behind the scenes that’s missing. This historical sequence of do nothingness https://therecount.com/watch/daily-recount-april-27th-2020/2645859580 * https://thebanter.substack.com/p/trumps-criminal-inaction-increased?r=108sq&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=facebook https://finance.yahoo.com/news/reopening-states-will-cause-233000-more-people-to-die-from-coronavirus-according-to-wharton-model-120049573.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=fb Reinforces this: https://youtu.be/wuG_2SSNj-o Resulting in this: https://www.businessinsider.com/us-billionaire-wealth-increased-since-trump-became-president-2020-4 And, this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D7i9uXWrgq4 Consequently, what you think you see, isn’t what’s going on. Your sense of the economy isn’t T’s. Your confusion, if it exists, is due to nothing adding up when it comes to T’s statements and actions regarding the CV. That’s because the longer CV… Read more »
Mike M
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If there is no election, then all House Terms expire on January 2, 2021. Thus, there will be no Speaker of the House on January 20. However, the Senate will still have a quorum as well as a President Pro Tempore of the Senate.
So, it would NOT be President Pelosi, it would be President Grassley.

Wayne fields
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Only those seats newly elected are suspended. The new house takes over on jan 20. It does not end the tenure of non Congressmen pro-temp . And the House, having enuff for quorum as not all members are up for election, is still active unless Pelosi calls for recess. It was built this way to avoid gaps in governing. IF there is a challenge to leadership, its the DEMS who vote for SOTH. And UNTIL such vote is held, Nancy is in charge of the House, and is sworn in legally sans election. Mitchie knows this. Which is why he… Read more »
Delores Harris
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Trump has the power to grant pardons/clemency to any or all Federal prisoners. It’s a given he will pardon Flynn & Manafort so whats to stop him from pulling a Matt Bevin?

Suzanne Smith
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Finally, an article that tells the people the truth!
I do hope when he is kicked to the curb, that they reign in his Maniac followers.
The mindless lemmings. They are no better than brown shirts.

Michelle
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Never underestimate a psychopath.

Jo
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If the American people were a “Family Unit” we’d be put in foster care for our own safety from abuse

Donald Shade
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The man is the seed of the Devil.He will not be satisfied until he destroys our constitution and our country.He should be removed from office immediately.It will only get worse.

Linda Woods
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I don’t believe he would even feel
Normal human grief even if Ivanka died of Covid 19.

Scott Eric Alt
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Actually, Nancy Pelosi would not become president in the absence of an election. In the absence of an election, her term would expire in 2021 as well. So would the terms of every US Representative and a fraction of the Senators.

Chuck Grassley would become president.

Connie Wilson
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This didn’t really ever posit a guess as to what, exactly, the author thinks Trump will do (beyond managing to kill over 100,000 citizens, via the virus, that is). Does the author think he will, once again, provoke a war with Iran…or with North Korea? I’d have been interested in more specifics and less repetition of the author’s thesis.

Ken MacLeod
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What I’m worried about is him starting a nuclear war with Russia if Putin refuses to give him asylum there. He won’t care about the deaths of millions of Americans, or even his own death, if he’s faced with spending the rest of his life in prison if he stuck here in the U.S. This is a worst-case scenario, but it definitely seems possible.

JC Babiera
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“Nor can he just cancel the election. If he does something insane to disrupt the election to the point where it cannot be held, then on 12:01 pm of January 20, 2021, Nancy Pelosi becomes president. Boy, would he hate that…” Actually, this is not true. If he finds a way to cancel the election, There would be no Speaker of the House. Neither would there be a House of Representatives because all their terms end on 1 January 2021. Therefore, the new president would be the President pro tempore of the Senate. Because the terms of those Senators running… Read more »
Wayne fields.
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45 is the charlie manson of the gop and we are all sharon tate. We must root out the entire party and excise it from the land, stem and branch. It is an accomplice to a democidal maniac. This means you too mitchie. You and your whole gang of cutthroats thieves and perverts.

Sherri Smith
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Please use spell check. This article is well-written but poorly proof-read.

John D Cloutier
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He will do something really stupid if he sees that he will lose the election.

Rosie72
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This last Op Ed piece chilled me more than anything I’ve read EVER about tRump. Please keep the Nukes firmly locked away from this Savage sick male…please!

Margaret Purcella
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G Al Green all the data that he can the money that he can and he’s going to all the secrets in there and he’s going to sell it all to Russia or to the highest bidder he will sell out America

Margaret Purcella
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He will sell out America he’s getting all the information he needs everybody behind him and all the money he can he’s going to sell America to the highest bidder with all the secrets he’s got

Margaret Purcella
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Isn’t that I laid out about him selling out America to the highest bidder Russia with all the secrets and all the money and everything that he knows about America he’s going to sell it out to the highest bidder

Vincent
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Mark my words — he’ll do this, beginning the morning of Nov. 4: * Immediately contact Vladimir Putin about fleeing to Russia with Melania, Barron, Ivanka, Jared et al on the condition he not be extradited back to the U.S. Vlad says OK, as thanks for “a job well done.” * Trump announces his resignation. * As he and his minions leave U.S. air space on Air Force One, President (for 2 1/2 months) Pence grants federal pardons to all of them. (The Donald is still on the hook for his many New York state offenses, but he’ll be out… Read more »
Yoka Koch
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I’m afraid that this scenario may well happen…that’s why he’s been screaming voter fraud 24/7 now!!! A powerful new conservative organization fighting to restrict voting in the 2020 presidential election is really just a rebranded group that is part of a dark money network already helping Donald Trump’s unprecedented effort to remake the US federal judiciary, the Guardian and OpenSecrets reveal. The organization, which calls itself the Honest Elections Project, seemed to emerge out of nowhere a few months ago and started stoking fears about voter fraud. Backed by a dark money group funded by rightwing stalwarts like the Koch… Read more »
Jeanne
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If he halted ALL the elections, Pelosi would not be in office either, along with every House Member. At that point, the democrats would have the majority in the senate, they would elect a President Pro Tempt, which could be Bernie, it’s usually the longest serving but doesn’t have to be.

cbrer
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Even if this particular scenario doesn’t play out, the article provokes thought, and adds to the cesspool of reality that represents the Trump persona, and Presidency. What I still struggle with, are the legions of Americans that still support this monster. I had no idea that hate ran so deep in America.