What a difference a day made, 24 little hours. Brought the sun and the flowers, where there used to be rain. — Dinah Washington

Four is apparently the loneliest number, because it’s being predicted in Washington, D.C. that getting the first four GOP defectors from the Trump cult is the hard part, but after that, there could be a “domino effect” and the rest will pile on. Axios:

What they’re saying: “You don’t want to be one of the first four. But no one gives a f*** about the fifth vote,” a GOP senate aide told Axios. “Especially for all of the 2020-ers. If it turns into a free vote, why wouldn’t you vote for witnesses?”

  • Republicans still see the four most likely to break with the party line as Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Mitt Romney of Utah, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Lamar Alexander of Tennessee.

  • But Cory Gardner of Colorado, Thom Tills of North Carolina, Martha McSally of Arizona, Rob Portman of Ohio, Joni Ernst of Iowa and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania would face pressure to follow.

It goes without saying that if one side gets witnesses, then so will the other. And Joni Ernst in particular seems to be looking forward to it. She mentioned just yesterday that she was wondering how well Joe Biden will do in Iowa in light of the discussion of witnesses being called in the senate impeachment trial. The knives are out for Biden nowadays, no question. Apparently he poses the biggest threat to the GOP, certainly something that we Democrats should bear in mind.

This has privately created a dilemma for some Democrats, who are eager for more information but recognize that a vote for witnesses could open the door for Republicans to use the impeachment stage to try to deal an insurmountable blow to the campaign of a rival thought to pose the greatest risk to Trump in the general election.

  • “They want us to become complicit” in destroying the Bidens, Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), who says he would not support a one-for-one witness deal, told reporters. “I would strongly argue against becoming co-conspirators.”

  • “To make a quid pro quo deal when the essence of the impeachment is a quid pro quo by the president — why should we be compromising the truth?” Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) said about a potential witness trade.

Senator Chris Coons (D-DE), who is a Biden ally, had previously floated the idea of a witness trade and actually it might not be a bad idea, especially on this new set of facts we’re dealing with, since the Bolton bombshell on Sunday. Lindsey Graham is threatening to to launch a Burisma investigation  after the impeachment trial anyway, because of the GOP dedication to the both-siderism scam.

That was on January 22, but today is January 28 and with the lightning speed that events run in this madcap era of Trump, it’s a completely different ballgame. It looks like Biden’s best interests may be served by testifying and in any event, it may not be up to him. If the Republicans have to give up the likes of Bolton and Mulvaney, they’re going to want their pound of flesh in return.

  • “There is zero doubt we’re getting witnesses. If there’s witnesses, we’re calling witnesses. We just need 51 votes,” a source close to Trump’s legal team told Axios.

  • “There’s no way they’re going to bring in John Bolton and Mick Mulvaney and not bring in our people, that would just be completely unfair and it would undermine their whole reason for having witnesses in the first place.”

It’s an ugly thing that the Bidens have to be dragged into this, but unfortunately that’s the way it’s shaping up. And I disagree that it’s going to be “an insurmountable blow” to Biden to have himself and son Hunter appear as witnesses. It will be a mud slinging circus, but that’s what it is to deal with Donald Trump. Nothing new here. Maybe it will have the reverse effect and give Biden more juice going into the campaign, just like Joni Ernst’s careless remarks yesterday may have given him an unintended boost. It’s a different ballgame now and anything is possible.

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32 Comments on "‘Zero Doubt We’re Getting Witnesses’ Tide Turns for Team Trump"

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Tin woman1
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i don’t want Joe taken down this way. But a part of me wants *Rump gone most.

Bareshark
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Trump gone is the priority, full stop. And there will be a steep price for that.

Rita
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I don’t think they will take him down. They know he’s a good guy .

Cherl Harrell
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If the Bidens go into this showing they have nothing to hide and stand up to questioning, won’t that be exonerating?

Bareshark
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I think Ursula is afraid of a smear that sticks to Biden similar to what happened to Hillary. I am considerably less afraid of such.

blueman
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Hunter Biden was not let go when the Democrats lost in 2016. If he was just hired for influence they would not have kept him for years after the election. Too, he is a lawyer with experience in finance and serving on the board of other corporations.

llywrch
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I honestly don’t see how having both Joe & Hunter Biden be called as witnesses will be a bad thing — especially if it gets Bolton & Mulvaney as witnesses & under oath. Beyond the fact that Hunter had a well-paying gig as a board member, what did he possibly do that could be bad? Honestly? I expect most of his answers will be along the lines of, “No”, “I didn’t do that”, & “I have no idea what you are talking about.” Joe Biden’s answers will doubtlessly be in the same vein. Then again, they might be able to… Read more »
Bareshark
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This incarnation of the GOP, which started with Nixon or Reagan, is nearly done. What comes after Trump will be interesting and hopefully less grotesque.

Slats
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but we DO know; the thuglicans have selective hearing , and memory loss , along with an allergy to presented facts .
Their sofa riding fox viewers get a charge out of the baseless , pointed questions , then can’t find the fortitude to sit through the answers , and yet always remain arrogant in their ignorance

Bareshark
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Don’t fret about the Bidens…nothing that could come out about them would match Trump and these morons are too inept to do a decent frame job or even a coherent message. Focus on the positives here…not only are we likely getting Bolton on the record but this show is going to run right over the SOTU address. So it’s going to be a bad day to be associated with Trumpville.

Joseph
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Since this proceeding is not a criminal trial–and I have absolutely no knowledge about the questioning of witnesses in an impeachment proceeding–is there any legal demand that a witness is required to “stick” to “answering the question?” Most of my legal “knowledge” comes from the various courtroom dramas (which often take a little bit of liberty with court proceedings) but witnesses on the stand aren’t allowed to “add” information beyond a question. For instance, on “Law & Order,” for instance, if a witness is asked “The defendant claims you saw him at the theater on the night in question. Did… Read more »
Nancy M Parker
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Dozens of them.

Joseph
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I’m not sure what “dozens of them” is supposed to mean. Do you mean “dozens of laws” that require a witness in AN IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDING must answer only the question presented (which is what I was trying to ask)? Again. I realize that in a standard court case a witness isn’t supposed to answer more than is asked (e.g., if asked, “Are you 37 years old?”, a witness isn’t supposed to answer “Yes, I just turned 37 2 weeks ago” or “No, I’m actually 39” much less “What the hell does my age have to do with this case, you… Read more »
Nancy M Parker
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I was replying about Ivanka’s patents. Yes, she got a lot of them

michaelscott
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The GOP may not want Biden, but the establishment class desperately wants him. It would be another four years of Obama (the great capitulator) do-nothing-ism. Perfect.

Nick Sullivan
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I’ve give my left nut for ‘four more years of Obama.’ Really … take that crap to somewhere it belongs, a Cenk Uygur taping or a Michael Moore appearance.

michaelscott
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Ah yes. Saint Barack. The liberal Ronald Reagan (whom he admires). Don’t get me wrong, I voted for the guy (twice). Hoping for change and got chump change. What did he do for us? Turned two foreign wars into six, carried out signature drone strikes on civilians, deported more people than anyone previous, and used the espionage act to go after reporters and whistle-blowers. Instead of putting the Wall St. guys responsible for tanking the economy in prison, he put them in his cabinet and now gets paid handsomely by them for speeches. And his signature accomplishment? A shitty healthcare… Read more »
Rita
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I agree , I think Biden should go . when he tells his side it’s going to make the Repugs look more stupid ! Joe was vice-Pres. at the time and he was sent there .