Conservative Jennifer Rubin Will NOT Tolerate Any Trump Supporter

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A large part of one’s progressive bona fides is the belief no respect can be given even for conservatives who have been “never Trumpers” right from the start. Their previous views and writing over the last three decades made Trump inevitable. I do not disagree that they contributed to Trump’s rise. I do not agree we cannot afford some respect to those who have been never Trumpers from the start.

Perhaps it is my incessant belief in people’s better angels, perhaps it is my naivety, but I just cannot internalize it.

I think those who have been never Trumpers right from the start represent an admirable “psychotic break” into reality. Joe Scarbarough went from being a flame throwing far right-winger to being damn near a moderate. True, he was desperate to get into bed with Mika and she wasn’t about to let that happen with a flame throwing, Trump supporting, right winger. Joe moderated his views long before Trump, again, perhaps Mika caused it. But, I think it matters that it was Joe who came to the middle, not Mika.

Watch Nicole Wallace some time on her own show or Rachel’s show. One can viscerally see and feel that Nicole is charging left despite herself. She has hated Trump from the beginning. My view on Wallace has nothing to do with the fact that I’ve got a raging crush on her now that she’s moderated.

The Right Wing is a cult and had been long before Trump. People who declared themselves “never Trumpers” from the start have slowly become … well, people.

So, to me it actually does matter when a person goes from always Republican to never Trumper, and then from being a never Trumper to a “Never support people who support Trump..” So, having established that we, opps, I meant “I,” can grant some respect to those who have agreed with me about Trump from the start, let’s read her words: From the Washington Post via Daily Kos (which lacks my genius analysis, pffft)

For decades now, Republicans have insisted mass murders with semiautomatic weapons are not reflective of a gun problem. I can no longer comprehend how such a ludicrous assertion is remotely acceptable. But in one sense they are right: It’s not merely Republicans’ indulgence of the National Rifle Association that puts Americans’ lives in jeopardy. It is the support and enabling of a president that inspires white nationalist terrorists – and even denies white nationalism is a problem.

Please proceed Jen, even if we definitely don’t get the “no longer” support any Trump supporter part, but anyway:

In sum, we are awash in hate crimes and white nationalist-inspired mass murders. We have a president whose words inspire and bolster perpetrators of these heinous acts. That makes Trump not only a moral abomination, which no policy outcome can offset, but a threat to national security. Those encouraged by his words in recent years kill more Americans than Islamist terrorists.

If that is not justification for bipartisan repudiation of this president and removal from office at the earliest possible moment I don’t know what is. Those who countenance and support this president for his white-grievance mongering are not merely “deplorable” but dangerous.

Okay, wait. That is rather impressive. A Republican calling to remove Trump purely on the basis of his race baiting (technically not a crime), is impressive to me because that doesn’t necessarily go hand in hand with being a never Trumper from the start.

Shout out, Jenny.

I will not state (unlike some on Dkos) that Trump was and is the direct cause of this weekend’s hate-infused attacks. That certainly is not some bow to the right-wing, just the opposite, actually. We have had mass killings inspired by the right for quite some time now, many prior to Trump.

We only know that Trump makes it more likely that people will go on sick rampages. And, again, that is sufficient to support removal from office.

If we are ever going to go back to some sort of “normalcy” in this nation, it is necessarily going to involve some embrace toward moderate conservatives, and I propose it begin and end with the never-Trumpers. Because, as even Jennifer Rubin notes, “we” can no longer tolerate Trump supporters, and I will add, “ever again.”

Peace, y’all.

Jason

 

 

 

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Denis Elliott
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Even though I ceased being a person of faith decades ago I still believe that forgiving someone for past actions is possible – provided they have truly changed AND acknowledge what they did. And that’s the rub with so many of these outspoken “Never Trump” folks. Take ole Morning Joe for example. He still identifies as a conservative and openly laments the possibility of a Democratic Party taking a leftward turn. To be fair I don’t think he’s the type of racist that so openly participates in the modern GOP but, and this is a big but he knew (as… Read more »
Bareshark
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I see forgiveness as a discussion for times when we’re not staring down the bad end of an existential threat. The only question we should ask ourselves is this: do I trust this person to have my back so I can deal with this mess good and proper right now? It’s simple pragmatism…you don’t deal with the right now, later won’t matter at all.

Denis Elliott
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I agree some pragmatism is called for – especially in these times. Trust is something that is earned, and significant trust comes in stages. I’ve moved past the old “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” stage in some cases although not all the way to a high level of trust. However as you say there’s enough trust to count on them through November 2020. OTOH with some of these folks they are squarely only in “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” category. IF it suits them they will go and do more harm than good –… Read more »
Bareshark
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Got a better Arabic saying (which “enemy of my enemy” is also) for our current situation that fits: “Me against my brother, my brother against my cousin, my cousin and I against the stranger.”

Bareshark
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Your view on Rubin is my own, Jason. Whatever else she did that got us here, she’s been consistently against Trump and his ilk from the start. When this is over, we’ll likely go back to being ideological opponents. But that’s later. Right now, we take our allies where we can get them.

I too have declined to call the Trump cult “deplorables”. I call them the Irredeemables.

rory darjiit
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I’m going to nitpick your section on Scarborough. Why does it have to be Mika’s sexuality that changed his views? Why not suggest that she’s smarter than he is (obvious) and stronger-willed (also obvious) and far more educated on political issues (obvious x1 million), and that this contributed? Why is a promise of sex the only way she could win him over? But more on topic, I think how much we blame any given Republican for the rise of Trump needs to have more to do with which bloc in the GOP they belong to than their overall party affiliation.… Read more »
Phillip
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I liked the column. I have always liked Mika and am liking Joe more and more — especially after his soliloquy about “Moscow Mitch” — but I am not sure that I share your enthusiasm for Nicole Wallace. Also, while I appreciate that you have a crush on her, she’s a bit too young for me.

John Sheehan
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Kung Fu Tsu ( Confucius) observed over 2 millennia ago that the emperor must set the example for the people. The wise emperor behaves with modesty, propriety, and dignity. The emperor must embrace compassion, generosity, and, kindness. The emperor must act wisely and with thoughtful consideration. Our would-be (naked) emperor is a liar, a cheat, a thief, a racist, a homophobe, a misogynist, and a white nationalist supporter. WTF do you expect from the fecktard but disgusting polarization ( and whiney “it’s not my fault it’s Hillary’s” kind of feeble-minded garbage)?

Bareshark
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So nice to see that ancient Chinese philosopher called by his actual name as opposed to the more commonly used Latin one.

Denis Elliott
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I draw on something more recent (and ongoing in lodges throughout the land) which is based on teachings from a different part of the world that also go back thousands of years. I petitioned my local Masonic Lodge the day after I turned 21 – my father’s gift (I was in college and paying my way through the latter part of school) was my degree fees through Blue Lodge, Scottish Rite and Shrine. Being in college I was quickly able to learn & return my degrees and become a Master Mason (Blue Lodge). While Freemasonry as we know it might… Read more »